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Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Parker Clack, Aug 7, 2001.
I am continuing this thread here as the other was getting difficult to read and to post to.
Like most of the rest of you, I am in shock. Both that Warner would do this, and the outrageous response that rallied behind this disc. I've been away for a few days so the first i heard was at Digital bits and saw their petition link, then come here and the Hot Topic is already 20 pages and closed to start part 2! Unbelievable. Warner will be crazy not to fix this, look at the response that this has gotten in two days! I am crossing my fingers...
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Everyone should read Donald from DVD Empire's statement on Page 20 (!) of the previous thread. I haven't had much on pre-order except for the odd Anchor Bay title or box set here and there, but have always had good service from the DVD Empire gang and want to let them -- and other retailers -- know that we the consumers and customers are well aware that the retailers aren't the bad guys here, but Warner Bros., who have misled the fans of this film and left a lot of bitterness through their actions.
Well, I called Warner today from work. Actually, I called twice. The first time, the receptionist transferred me to one of the reps and got her voice mail. I simply stated my name and the number at which she could reach me. About five minutes later, I decided to call back, hoping that I would get someone. Again, the receptionist transferred me. Low and behold, it was to the same woman. That time I left a message expressing how disappointed I was with their decision and that I would not purchasing the title because of it. Afterwards, I couldn't help but think that she was intentionally not picking up the phone since it seemed that everyone calling in about Wonka would get transferred to her.
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[Edited last by Dwayne on August 07, 2001 at 11:40 PM]
I think Warner actually might buckle under the pressure on this one..........over 3000 sigs in about 24 hours is awfully impressive, and who knows how many more there will be.
I think that simply boycotting ALL Warner product INCLUDING the 16 x 9 OAR material is a huge mistake. I can understand the boycot of this one title, but ripping Warner a new A**hole is only going to encourage them to cater to a different market.
I have heard many state that they will catagorically refuse to buy ANY new Warner product over this issue. That they will cancel they're pre-orders of 'The Goonies' even though it is a 2.35:1 16 x 9 title. What everyone should be doing is putting they're money where they're mouth is, and buying as much OAR widescreen material from studios as they can. If you support WS OAR with sales, then it gives the studios reason to keep producing DVDs in that format. If you simply stop buying all DVDs which are WS OAR out of protest, then the studios will simply stop making WS OAR titles completely -and focus on the P&S market who do not care about WS OAR.
Frankly, I thought we had a good thing going with the studios here at the HTF. We should not be trying to intimidate Warner out of doing any more chats with members, and instead we should simply voice our disapproval of releasing P&S only titles -which the majority of us have done, but there are always those overwhelmingly angry few who think that they can speak for everyone and tend to ruin a good thing. Boycott Wonka if you like, but do not boycott a good WS OAR DVD from Warner or any other studio out of anger over a single P&S only release. If you do, then you will find the eclipsing of OAR WS DVDs happening much more swiftly, because the studios will just give up on WS OAR ...and happily cater to 'Joe Pan and Scan' exclusively.
Warner: I will not be buying this 'Wonka' release on DVD, thank you very much. I will be buying 'The Goonies' and any other favorite films in your catalog which are Anamorphically Enhanced WS OAR titles.
Thanks for posting Donaldp. Hopefully Warner will at least listen to retailers such as DVDEmpire, even if they don't listen to the actual end users of their DVDs!
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I agree with Sean on this one. Warner Bros needs to see that an OAR movie in their catalog can sell just as good (or hopefully better!) than a non-OAR movie.
I think the most disappointing thing about this release is that WB had an anamorphic OAR DVD master ready to go. J.M. Kenny said so at Comic-Con. The transfer had been done. It was to be included on the disc.
It's one thing if a studio can't afford (or won't shell out the money) to produce a new transfer. That, at least, can be chalked up to a cost-analysis decision. But the new OAR was ready to go and set for inclusion, and WB for some unknown reason, decided to forego it.
Thanks for the new thread, Parker. I was getting about 40 emails an hour after posting the original thread.
Not that I'm complaining! I'm thrilled to see so many people as outraged about this decision as I am. Let's hope that our collective voice has been heard...even a little.
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What amazes me is how long it's taken for the home theater crowd to jump on Warners en masse for a long history of not presenting titles OAR. Remember their string of budget titles with budget transfers? Personally, I took a big step away from Warners when one of my favorite films of the 90s, "Fearless", showed up fullscreen. I don't boycott Warners titles, but I only purchase the "I really have to have this one" DVDs. Of course I'm not going to boycott the special edition of "Blade Runner" (I'm not a hero), but the type of run of the mill stuff that I buy every week I don't buy from Warners (I have about 800 DVDs) and won't be buying from them until they make good on past disasters like "Fearless". And now with "Willie Wonka" its just the bitter (make that poisoned) icing on the cake. Unless it's a masterpiece, no more Warners, and even if it is a masterpiece, no more Warners if they don't do it right. They've shown they don't need my money. Now multiply that by tens of thousands and maybe they'll have a change of heart (if they only had a heart).
I just became number 3535. I think I hear "Network" playing in the background.
[Edited last by Chuck Blair on August 08, 2001 at 12:56 AM]
Funny, Warner has one of, if not the, biggest DVD's ever with "The Matrix," and it was 2.35:1 widescreen. That didn't seem to hurt it's sales AT ALL, so why do they think that widescreen on "Wonka" would? Do they honestly think parents buy widescreen for themselves but P&S for their kids to spare them the misery of the bars?
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Ha! Read this post from the wonderful and esteemed Mobius Home Video Forum (and y'all on HTF thought YOU were picky-- you should read some of the posts there!):
Apparently, Warner Bros. got so many calls on this today that they had to shut their switchboard down at one point!
Posted this in the personal message to WB thread, then decided it was better in this one.
I e-mailed Amazon about still listing the widescreen version as being on the DVD. They got back to me and said that after speaking to their supplier they were told that it still has the widescreen version on it. Just goes to show you how little some of these stores know about the products they carry.
Why is the sales ranking of Wonka going up at Amazon. I canceled my preorder like so many others but I now see it's sale ranking at 14th. It was 23rd Monday when I canceled and 17th last night. Whats up?
Also, still listed widescreen and full screen at Amazon!
I was 4033...
I'm sorry I just don't get it. Your decision to omit the OAR version on this new disc will be in the back of my mind while I'm browsing the DVD section of my local video store.
I currently have many of your titles but I will be much more selective when it comes to my purchases.
Feel free to post on Warner's BB your comments as well as here. Can't hurt!