Well, here's the deal. I'm seriously in the market for a new car (I don't want to say anything here except let's just say that the tides have turned seriously in favor of me at work *wink*). I know you guys are probably sick of me saying so, but I've finally reached the long arduous journey of finally deciding on a car and I'm pulling the trigger at the end of this month. I decided against the DeLorean as I'm back in college and I want to get a nice new car to impress. I'm FINALLY buying at the end of this month. I am SO EXCITED that financially, I'll be able to do both shortly: move back out (I just now moved home temporarily to save up for a down payment on a house in case I need one) and get a new car. Keep in mind I'll be able to do both and still have some financial cushioning. But, I digress... I've had such horrible luck with two car dealers. One was Power Ford in Huntington Beach. The other was with Honda World of Westminster tonight. Anyway, let me elaborate. Keep in mind that in EACH of these instances, I have acted nice and courteous to everyone involved, and never once have I acted belligerent except *after* being faced (and provoked) with a rude salesman at Honda. Keep in mind that I never test drive cars unless I'm seriously buying within the next six months or sooner. So, I'm not a natural test drive junkie. I'll explain in the next paragraphs. Ford: I went into Power Ford of Huntington Beach (I've never been there before) to take a test drive on a Ford Mustang GT. I have narrowed down my car to a Ford Mustang GT and a Honda Accord EX V6 w/leather. I go in for a test drive and the salesperson tells me that test drives are not allowed unless I sign a contract binding me to a purchase. This pissed me off and I walked off the lot. After I cooled down, I went back in and talked to the General Manager. He explained that even if he had GTs in stock he wouldn't let me test drive one because customers like them to be at zero when they buy them. This was a load of horsecrap but I still kept my cool. I ended up filing a complaint with Ford but never heard back from them. Go figure. Anyway, with Honda World of Westminster tonight: Let me explain first. I've driven four times previously. They give a five minute route for a test drive. That is *not* a proper enough amount of time to test drive a car. I also want to see how a car handles and drives in different weather conditions, as I am planning on keeping this car for at least ten years. With my horrible experience with Ford, I narrowed my choice down to a Honda Accord EX V6 coupe w/leather in Graphite Pearl. I asked a salesman if I could have a test drive and while he and I get into the car he says he needs to go get keys and he'll be right back. I waited for about 20 minutes and finally got fed up (but still not upset and don't show it). I asked another salesman (nicely) where the other guy went as he was supposed to be back with keys. Apparently he had "gone home." I was pissed inside but didn't show it. I nicely ask the salesman for a test drive. They leave. After about ten minutes of waiting, a rude guy comes out. I ask him very nicely for a test drive. He asks me if I'm buying. I explain that I am buying at the end of this month and wanted a final test drive to make my decision. His immediate response: No test drives. He IMMEDIATELY GOT IN MY FACE AND OPENED AND CLOSED HIS RIGHT HAND RAPIDLY (ABOUT HALF AN INCH FROM MY FACE) and repeatedly says "Go!" and "Bye." This REALLY pissed me off and I threatened to call my lawyer and go to the FTC on this. He keeps rudely pointing in the direction off the lot. I walked off. After I cooled down, I go in and spoke to a receptionist and asked to speak to the General Manager. The GM was gone and so I asked to speak to the sales manager because of the rude treatment from the salesman (which was NOT warranted). I explain I was still a little pissed with my incredibly RUDE treatment from the sales guy and why. She was understanding. Anyway, another sales "man" comes out (I didn't recognize him and have never seen him before) and takes me outside. He explains why they won't take me for a test drive. He says I've been there ten times before (that's bullshit, I've only taken four test drives -- three in an Accord and one in a Civic to compare). Their route is completely inadequate to make a final decision (and doesn't even include freeways). Anyway, he also says they have the right to refuse service to anyone. Of course, I couldn't refuse that so I left politely (but still incredibly angry). I couldn't be more pissed off at a car dealer right now. If you're in the market for Honda or Ford, DO NOT go to Honda World Westminster or Power Ford of Huntington Beach. I will be going to a different Honda dealer.