These have the black finish and were factory outlet from Axiom. I've looked them over carefully and the defects are the following: 1) Slight discoloration in the finish of one of the speakers on one corner. Hardly visible unless you're looking for it. 2) One of the woofers has a slight indentation. The indentation has been discussed on Axioms's message board several times as to have no effect on the sound quality. I can attest to this myself - swapping the speakers back and forth produced no difference in sound. Selling at $175 + shipping. Factory outlet is now $247.50 from Axiom's website, and $275 new.