Two points:I'm not sure how I feel about tonight's episode. On one hand, it felt like a rather perfunctory way to close the door on four seasons of mythology.
I was actually a little surprised that David Robert Jones wasn't keeping tabs on them, although understandable given his limited resources as an interdimensional terrorist.Josh Dial said:Right. I just didn't know what non-clumsy term to use, other than "doppelgangers of the cortexiphan trials subjects"
Though you might be right that they would just be going about their usual business. If anything it would have been sound to put a few agents out there looking for each one.
Absolutely! One of the best casts on television, and they acted the heck out of this episode. John Noble playing Walternate commiserating with Walter is a scene that they should study in acting classes. Just a piece of absolute brilliance, and a great payoff for years of buildup. My ambivalence certainly had nothing to do with the performances, nor the writing within the episode.MattH. said:All I know is I had a few tears trickle from my eyes during the last few minutes. It was like saying goodbye to old friends.
I hope you're right; not that I think they need to dwell on the other side as the focus of another season, but I feel like I've gotten to know them almost as well as "our" characters, especially since the timeline change meant that most of "our" characters aren't completely the characters we'd spent the previous three seasons getting to know.Joseph DeMartino said:They had to compress some storylines once it started to look likely that there wasn't going to be a season 5 and they would have to offer some kind of conclusion by the end of S4. They were faced with trying to wrap the show up successfully by replacing one scene in the planned season finale, and that doesn't leave a lot of room to deal with other things.
Now that they have 13 more episodes to work with, I would not be at all surprised to see a return of the Red Universe.
You'd be absolutely right if you we're talking about "our" universe, but their universe has national ID cards that need to be swiped for use with all public services (and probably many private services). In the face of the deterioration caused by Walter's breach, their United States is much more militarized, posse comitatus has obviously been revoked, and the police state is much closer to being realized. That being said, I agree with Josh's larger point, that the timeframe was too tight.RE: Finding the dopplegangers of the Cortexiphan Kids In "our" universe. (Which isn't quite.) I'm not sure anyone there has a comprehensive list of them. Olivia tracked them down in the "original" universe, but she's living in the "no-Peter" version now. She has her memories of the original, but not files. Even if she had them - how easy would it be to track dozens or hundreds of people, most of whom would have no criminal records, across the world? You can use cell phones and credit card statements - but only after getting court orders. That takes time. And what is your probably cause? We think this person is the counterpart of a dangerous person in an alternate universe? You'd have to come up with a lot of stories for a lot people, and get Federal agents to commit perjury in signing the affadavits. I think this is the kind of thing the audience can work out for itself. You can't cross every "T" and dot every "I" in 40-odd minutes of story time, or spell out every plot point. I don't consider it a flaw, really.
In addition, all the red universe folk had those Show-Me Cards, so their movements could have been easily tracked.Adam Lenhardt said:Your point holds on the time factor, but the red universe counterparts weren't subjected to the cortexiphan trials and, if the alt-Nick Lane is any indication, would have little to no inclination that there was anything special about them at all. So most of them were probably sticking to their normal routine and going to work and then home.
Olivia identified one other person she recognized from the footage right away. I think she could have identified more if they went that route.Sean Bryan said:Yeah, but they'd have to know WHO to track, which they don't
The showrunners said they talked about shooting an alternate ending, but decided against it. My guess is that they simply would have left the last scene off the episode. Either way, episode 19 made me very happy we're getting another season.NeilO said:Great episode. It would have been a nice final episode to the series. I presume that the scene with September was the alternate made if they were renewed. Everything else seemed to be wrapped up.
We don't know that for sure. He certainly took steps to neutralize our main Observer, which tells me he knows way more about them than anyone else--and put a lot of time into learning about them. It's also possible that it's the Observers he was referencing when he talked about not bringing allowing the human race to survive in his new universe; by destroying the two universes, he certainly would have prevented the future we saw in episode 19.I was slightly disappointed that William Bell's plan had nothing to do with the Observers. I guessed he belled himself over somewhere.
If I had to guess, there will be a time jump to when the Observers arrive in force. I'd imagine we'll see what events transpire to bring everybody but Olivia into amber, and then I'd imagine we'll pick up at some point in the season with Walter, Astrid, Peter and Etta on that train.The glyph code wasthis week.PURGE
I guess the next season will have a number of episodes in the present time and then it will finish off in the future. But you never know ...
I'd be more worried if both showrunners were headed out the door. But J.H. Wyman's been with the show since season one, he's been co-showrunner with Pinkner since season two, and he's committed to staying with the show through to the last frame. This is definitely not a "Community" situation.Will_B said:That's fair enough - it is tough to keep talent on board for only half a season when they could surely get a full-season job elsewhere.