1. Sign-up to become a member, and most of the ads you see will disappear. It only takes 30 seconds to sign up, so join the discussion today!
    Dismiss Notice

Frequency waterfall charts of a few familiar favourites

Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by MingL, Jun 11, 2003.

  1. Gordon Groff

    Gordon Groff Second Unit

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2002
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  2. Ilkka R

    Ilkka R Second Unit

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Ilkka
     
  3. Ilkka R

    Ilkka R Second Unit

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Ilkka
    This is getting more strange. It seems that SW-AOTC first fly-by scene (until the explosion) is way hotter than any other bass-heavy scene in the whole movie. I did't see much pink anywhere else (speeder chase has few pink spots). I plotted the "pod rad" scene from the SW-PM and compared that to SW-AOTC last battle scene and they were actually quite close, as I noticed before when I measured the dialog levels. SW-AOTC may be 2-3dB hotter, but that's it. But the first fly-by is much hotter, I'd say 6-8dB based on my charts.

    Also as I already mentioned, both Cavalcade trailers are identical (mastering level).
     
  4. Ilkka R

    Ilkka R Second Unit

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Ilkka
    I'm getting to have the feeling that dialog is the thing we need to calibrate. Not deep bass. If dialog is around 78-80dB, you are playing at RL. Monitoring bass peaks (112-113dB, C-weighted) is not accurate enough. Ed, have you ever measured dialog levels or only bass?
     
  5. Eric Eash

    Eric Eash Second Unit

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2003
    Messages:
    367
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    any of you guys able to test The Grudge yet?
     
  6. Des Flurane

    Des Flurane Auditioning

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Flight of the Phoenix, crash scene gets my vote.
    Thanks in advance.
    Des.
     
  7. MikeDuke

    MikeDuke Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ilkka R
     
  8. Edward J M

    Edward J M Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2002
    Messages:
    2,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  9. Lewis Besze

    Lewis Besze Producer

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 1999
    Messages:
    3,134
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  10. KeithY

    KeithY Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2003
    Messages:
    126
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Flight of the Phoenix

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Des Flurane

    Des Flurane Auditioning

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Thanks,
    Des.
     
  12. John Garcia

    John Garcia Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 1999
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Real Name:
    John
     
  13. Ned

    Ned Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2000
    Messages:
    838
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Here's something a little different.

    [​IMG]


    This is Sarah McLachlan - Solace 06 back door man.
     
  14. Ned

    Ned Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2000
    Messages:
    838
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    [​IMG]

    All the THX trailers from the THX Ultimate DVD.
     
  15. Mark Seaton

    Mark Seaton Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 1999
    Messages:
    599
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    110
    Real Name:
    Mark Seaton
    Hi Guys,

    Unfortunately I had missed the earlier discussion on relative levels. While I understand some of the complaints about some movies being rediculously demanding, I would also say that unless you can get some confirmation that in the editing process they artificially raised the level (which happens commonly on audio CDs) I would only critique the sound engineer for being a bit over-zealous with the effects... Not that they "didn't record at reference level."

    System calibration establishes nothing more than a known gain structure between the recorded level and the level presented to the listener. If the mastering engineer is going deaf, it will be a bit louder, and if you're stuck watching some chick-flick, I would expect the levels to be much lower. That's just the way it is. You are welcome to adjust the volume as is appropriate to your listening environment and your system's capability. I know I have often watched that opening scene from SW-AOTC after calibrating big systems... at reference level. Having heard that reproduced without strain from either the subwoofer and main speakers, I can't imagine this was not intentional. The fact that the loudest scene was at the beginning of the movie tells me they were trying to really make a point as well as viscerally grab your attention.

    This is further confirmed in hearing that during calmer scenes, the dialog is very similar in level to the Episode 1. Now I'm not saying that everyone has to listen at these levels, but that IS reference level. This is just a matter of "I prefer to listen to this soundtrack at -#dB." Another good example is with DD vs. DTS tracks. Listen to Master & Commander in each mode, and it is clear the DTS track has more low frequency energy, and the shouted dialog is a little bit louder. So the question is, would this be "wrong" if the DD track was recorded this way in the first place?

    Reference level is simply a known reference. It does not guarantee a specific level. It does tell us what the maximum recorded level can produce (in SPL) from any one channel; much how movies have different "hues" and "looks" to the picture (think Matrix vs. Fifth Element vs. Fight Club, etc.). We establish references so we can all relate to some common reference, from which we are certainly allowed to adjust to taste as needed.

    My 2 cents,
     
  16. dave/r

    dave/r Auditioning

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2005
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    TO POSTERS OF WATERFALL CHARTS:

    Would u mind doing me a favour by plotting charts of some un-bassy pre-dts films? I'm doing a thesis on how cinema sound has evolved, and it'd be useful to compare these with the amazing bass-laden soudtracks of today.

    Any film you like, perhaps a classical hollywood one and some action film from 20/30 years ago would be cool.

    This would really help me out.

    thanks peeps!
     
  17. Mark Seaton

    Mark Seaton Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 1999
    Messages:
    599
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    110
    Real Name:
    Mark Seaton
    A good one might be something like comparing modern soundtracks with say Twister or Jurassic Park and maybe some other older ones. One problem you may encounter is that some DVD releases have been re-mastered to bring them more in line with current expectations.
     
  18. KeithY

    KeithY Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2003
    Messages:
    126
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Blazing Saddles, 1997 pressing

    Mongo comes to town
    [​IMG]

    Horse hits ground after Mongo punches him
    [​IMG]

    Mongo's candy gram explosion
    [​IMG]
     
  19. dave/r

    dave/r Auditioning

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2005
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Thanks Kieth, that's just the sort of thing I'm looking for! If anyone else has similar contributions, especially older films, they would be much appreciated. [​IMG]
     
  20. KeithY

    KeithY Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2003
    Messages:
    126
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Wages of Fear-blowing up obstacle in road
    [​IMG]

    Sorcerer-blowing up obstacle in road
    [​IMG]

    Sorcerer-bus leaving and explosion in Jerusalem
    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page