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Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by MingL, Jun 11, 2003.
This is getting more strange. It seems that SW-AOTC first fly-by scene (until the explosion) is way hotter than any other bass-heavy scene in the whole movie. I did't see much pink anywhere else (speeder chase has few pink spots). I plotted the "pod rad" scene from the SW-PM and compared that to SW-AOTC last battle scene and they were actually quite close, as I noticed before when I measured the dialog levels. SW-AOTC may be 2-3dB hotter, but that's it. But the first fly-by is much hotter, I'd say 6-8dB based on my charts. Also as I already mentioned, both Cavalcade trailers are identical (mastering level).
I'm getting to have the feeling that dialog is the thing we need to calibrate. Not deep bass. If dialog is around 78-80dB, you are playing at RL. Monitoring bass peaks (112-113dB, C-weighted) is not accurate enough. Ed, have you ever measured dialog levels or only bass?
any of you guys able to test The Grudge yet?
Flight of the Phoenix, crash scene gets my vote. Thanks in advance. Des.
Flight of the Phoenix
Here's something a little different. This is Sarah McLachlan - Solace 06 back door man.
All the THX trailers from the THX Ultimate DVD.
Hi Guys, Unfortunately I had missed the earlier discussion on relative levels. While I understand some of the complaints about some movies being rediculously demanding, I would also say that unless you can get some confirmation that in the editing process they artificially raised the level (which happens commonly on audio CDs) I would only critique the sound engineer for being a bit over-zealous with the effects... Not that they "didn't record at reference level." System calibration establishes nothing more than a known gain structure between the recorded level and the level presented to the listener. If the mastering engineer is going deaf, it will be a bit louder, and if you're stuck watching some chick-flick, I would expect the levels to be much lower. That's just the way it is. You are welcome to adjust the volume as is appropriate to your listening environment and your system's capability. I know I have often watched that opening scene from SW-AOTC after calibrating big systems... at reference level. Having heard that reproduced without strain from either the subwoofer and main speakers, I can't imagine this was not intentional. The fact that the loudest scene was at the beginning of the movie tells me they were trying to really make a point as well as viscerally grab your attention. This is further confirmed in hearing that during calmer scenes, the dialog is very similar in level to the Episode 1. Now I'm not saying that everyone has to listen at these levels, but that IS reference level. This is just a matter of "I prefer to listen to this soundtrack at -#dB." Another good example is with DD vs. DTS tracks. Listen to Master & Commander in each mode, and it is clear the DTS track has more low frequency energy, and the shouted dialog is a little bit louder. So the question is, would this be "wrong" if the DD track was recorded this way in the first place? Reference level is simply a known reference. It does not guarantee a specific level. It does tell us what the maximum recorded level can produce (in SPL) from any one channel; much how movies have different "hues" and "looks" to the picture (think Matrix vs. Fifth Element vs. Fight Club, etc.). We establish references so we can all relate to some common reference, from which we are certainly allowed to adjust to taste as needed. My 2 cents,
TO POSTERS OF WATERFALL CHARTS: Would u mind doing me a favour by plotting charts of some un-bassy pre-dts films? I'm doing a thesis on how cinema sound has evolved, and it'd be useful to compare these with the amazing bass-laden soudtracks of today. Any film you like, perhaps a classical hollywood one and some action film from 20/30 years ago would be cool. This would really help me out. thanks peeps!
A good one might be something like comparing modern soundtracks with say Twister or Jurassic Park and maybe some other older ones. One problem you may encounter is that some DVD releases have been re-mastered to bring them more in line with current expectations.
Blazing Saddles, 1997 pressing Mongo comes to town Horse hits ground after Mongo punches him Mongo's candy gram explosion
Thanks Kieth, that's just the sort of thing I'm looking for! If anyone else has similar contributions, especially older films, they would be much appreciated.
Wages of Fear-blowing up obstacle in road Sorcerer-blowing up obstacle in road Sorcerer-bus leaving and explosion in Jerusalem