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  1. Message #61 of 80 Oct 22, 2019
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    I'm ramping up my viewing of Frasier because - while I don't want it to end - the series is so good that it lends itself to binge-watching :)

    Some of my favorite episodes/storylines from Seasons 6-7:

    -Frasier & Niles want to get tickets to a well-known play, but don't want anyone to know they don't actually have tickets and have to wait in line for possible cancellations (like being on "stand-by"). So, when they're outside the building & standing in line, they have to "pretend" that they're not really in line because they're so concerned with what their snobbish "friends" think - and thereby miss getting tickets. They then try to get into the building anyway, and are refused - LOL.

    Later, they stupidly go to an exclusive restaurant "after-party" with the play-goers, and end up discussing the play - with the playwright ...where they have to pretend to have seen the play (when they haven't). Hilarious!

    -Frasier's love life is going great, and he ends up dating two women at once; the voluptuous & gorgeous Cassandra (Virginia Madsen), and the beautiful Faye (Amy Brenneman). However, despite the fact that he initially never acted like the relationship(s) were anything other than casual dating - at one point he decides he needs to just devote his time/energy to one of them, so reluctantly breaks up with Cassandra (who seems to takes the break-up well) & starts dating Faye exclusively. However, as it turns out, while he was dating both of them he kept "accidentally" calling Faye "Cassandra", and he actually keeps this up even after he dates Faye exclusively (probably because he preferred Cassandra, but didn't want to admit this to himself - ha ha). Faye puts up with this for a while, though Frasier has to make sure that the two don't meet each other - LOL. However, it's not long before Faye actually meets the real "Cassandra" & finds out her name - then promptly breaks up with Frasier - LOL.

    Frasier is such a [email protected]$$, but that's obviously where a lot of the humor on show show stems from ;) He is his own worst enemy, and keeps unintentionally?! sabatoging his life - partially because he over-analyzes everything - ha ha.
     
  2. Message #62 of 80 Oct 22, 2019
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    Part 2 of my Seasons 6-7 review:

    -"The show where Woody shows up" - great episode, showcasing Woody Boyd visiting Seattle & hanging out with Frasier & co. while he's there. However, it doesn't take long for Frasier to realize that while he's moved on, Woody has stayed the same (still working at Cheers in Boston, etc.) - and they don't really have anything in common anymore - not that they ever really did - LOL. Ironically, he later finds out that while he was feeling bad for Woody - Woody was actually feeling bad for him still being single - LOL.

    This was a very realistic episode that I found extremely relatable - i.e., I have been in similar situations where I've tried to re-connect with old friends from the past, but have realized that so much time has passed & our lives have ended up being so different...that we don't have anything in common anymore. Nor do we have much to talk about - other than shared memories of past events.

    -The last several episodes of S07: Niles suddenly (and without warning) gets married to a doctor that he's only been seeing for a very short time. Also in the episodes leading up to the finale, Daphne is on the verge of getting married to a lawyer she's been seeing for a while. However, towards the end of S07 Daphne realizes that she has feelings for Niles (and has for a while, apparently) And, as we all know, Niles has had the hots for Daphne from Day 1 - LOL.

    So, this culminates in the finale of S07, with Daphne leaving her husband-to-be at the altar, and running off with Niles in a Winnebago - while still in her wedding dress - LOL. This scene is an obvious homage to the final scene in the iconic The Graduate (1967), when Katharine Ross unexpectedly leaves her wedding, and runs off with Dustin Hoffman ;)

    From the beginning of my watching the series this past summer, I knew that Niles & Daphne were going to get married at some point (I think I read a spoiler somewhere). But, I didn't know the details of how they would ultimately get together, nor which season it would happen in. So, I was genuinely surprised that this happened the way that it did. So, Kudos to the writers of this series for not making Niles & Daphne's getting together that predictable.
     
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    There are still a few more hurdles to come before they get married. ;) Neither one of the jilted exes is very cooperative.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification - I knew they actually didn't get married at the end of S07, but I still consider the S07 finale the obvious turning point of the whole Niles/Daphne "will they, won't they get together" element of the show - which has been one of the series' continuing story-lines since S01.
     
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    A few of my favorites from seasons 6 and 7-

    Roz, A Loan- Frasier loans Roz $1,500 to tide her over, then gets concerned that she may be blowing his money

    How To Bury A Millionaire- Niles has to give up his cushy dwelling to live in a starter’s apartment

    Dr. Nora- a new and brutally frank analyst is hired at KACL

    Radio Wars- Frasier becomes the butt of jokes for the new morning show

    Back Talk- Daphne comes to find out that Niles has had a crush on her for years

    Big Crane On Campus- Frasier meets his old high school crush at Nervosa. He tricks her to come to his apartment, they end up in bed together, and Frasier comes to regret it in the morning.
     
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    I remember that one. :lol:
     
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    A story that keeps on giving. Just caught a few of the later episodes from that sequence and they're just brutally funny.


    The Frasier is a dumbass does end up leading to one of my favorite episodes down the line. You'll likely recognize it when you see it.
     
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    Are you referring to Don Juan In Hell? Lorna is involved in this show (for whatever reason, her name gets changed to Lona by the time this episode appeared).
     
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    A couple more episodes from season 7 that are good ones-

    The Apparent Trap- Frederick plays Frasier against Lilith to try to get a mini bike that his parents don’t want him to have.

    Whine Club- Niles slides in under Frasier to win the cork master election, and the family meets Niles’s girlfriend Mel for the first time.
     
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    Part 1 is funnier, but Don Juan Part 2 specifically I think it one of the best of the series -- it's not close to one of the funniest, but I think it pulls together a lot of "why can't he ever learn." I think this episode wonderfully sets up the second half of S11.

    Lorna-Lana/Jean Smart is in quite a few episodes between Big Crane on Campus and Part 2.
     
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    Yes she’s a main character in the 2 part episode where Frasier tutors her son so he can be set up on a date with her friend Claire. That’s a pretty good episode.
     
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    Maybe talking about different episodes -- DJ Pt2 is the 2nd ep of S9 and sort of the 3rd part of the finale to S8 Caribbean Vacation
     
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    When you get around to watch season 8, you’ll likely notice in the first episode of that season that Daphne has gained weight (I didn’t follow the show or the gossip when it was on the air, but I assume Jane Leeves was pregnant during this season). The writers cover for this with dialog saying that she let her weight get away from her.
     
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    Yes - these are some of my favorite episodes as well. The one where Frasier was mocked/made fun of by the new radio station talk hosts was side-splittingly funny; especially great was when they would call him @ home and he briefly thought the calls were genuine - until he realized he was being played - hilarious!!!

    Also very funny how Frasier's old high school "crush" initially seemed beautiful & glamorous - but then, the next morning (after he had slept with her) she started smoking (which obviously offended Frasier) & yelled at her kids on the phone, etc. Obviously a lot had changed since high school, and not for the better - LOL. So, Frasier wanted to get away from her as soon as possible. But, it turns out that she was somewhat using him - so she could have an "escort" to the retirement party for the old high school coach - LOL.

    Good to know - I'll look for this when I start watching S08.
     
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    Yes - both of these were classic as well. The Apparent Trap was hilarious; I liked how Lilith & Frasier initially thought that Frederick was trying to get them back together so they could be a family again, but then soon after they both realized that everything Frederick was doing was a scam so that he could get his mini-bike. What a selfish little punk - but, very typical re: a kid his age! LOL!

    The Cork master election was also great; it was hilarious how Niles & Frasier were competing over something so stupid/pointless - LOL. Their concerns over extremely trival & superfluous issues are one of the reasons this show is so funny.
     
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    I recently finished Frasier S08. Hilarious! I found myself laughing out loud throughout the season. Prior to watching this, I thought the season may not be as good as previous ones due to the Daphne/Niles relationship being resolved & their definitely becoming a couple (which sometimes makes TV shows boring). However, in this case that storyline provided a lot of the clever humor in this season - very funny! Going along with this - great writing on this show!

    Some of my favorite episodes are the early ones in the season, where you see the fall-out from the S07 finale:

    -Daphne's ex Donnie sues her for emotional distress due to her leaving him at the altar. Frasier, instead of leaving well enough alone & keeping his big mouth shut (as he should have done) - true to form, goes to Donnie (a cut-throat lawyer) and stupidly admits that he was the one that encouraged Daphne & Niles to get together - despite the fact that he should have known this would make him a target as well! And, a result of this ill-advised "confession", Frasier is also sued by Donnie. This may possibly be the single stupidest thing Frasier has done on the series (so far). What a nimrod - LOL. As it turns out, Donnie unexpectedly drops the lawsuits because he quickly meets another woman & ends up marrying her - so, presumably he's less inclined to be angry at everyone connected to the Daphne almost-wedding.

    -Niles' ex Mel insists that they be seen in public (but only in public) for a while after the break-up, due to not wanting to look like she got dumped so quickly after the wedding. She asks Niles to say/do inappropriate things in front of her friends, so she can justifiably get upset with him & "end" the relationship - thereby saving face. So, one night when they're all out at dinner with her friends, Niles criticizes one of them for drinking too much & calls him an alcoholic. However, the man - instead of being angry/shocked at the accusation - admits that he has a problem, and thanks Niles profusely for pointing this out to him; he then says this will lead him to get help, etc. The man's wife & friends also praise Niles for this - LOL. This is the exact opposite of what you would have expected to happen, which is what makes it so funny - ha ha.

    It's also funny how Mel contemptuously calls Daphne nick-names like "English Muffin", etc. - due to obviously resenting Daphne "stealing" Niles away from her - LOL.

    -Frasier ends up dating the extremely attractive lawyer who was representing Niles/Daphne. He is writing her steamy e-mails on a semi-regular basis. However, at one point he is surprised by her expensive bill (over $4,000!) and ends up writing her a somewhat confrontational e-mail questioning why she's charging him so much. After he writes this, he has second thoughts and goes to her office with the idea of surreptitiously deleting the e-mail. As it turns out, she's having computer problems and hasn't read the e-mail yet. So, he pretends to read it to her (and acts as if it's steamy - LOL), but then "accidentally on purpose" deletes this. However, he also stupidly prints this out - by accident. After the lawyer reads this, she becomes angry & kicks him out - what a dummy! LOL.
     
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    Part 2 of my S08 review:

    - Roz starts dating a guy (Gary Cole, a very underrated actor) who has allegedly had a lot of adventures at sea - he lives on a boat & has sailed around the world; has been hijacked by pirates, etc. Cole ends up befriending Frasier as well, and Frasier encourages him to write a non-fiction book about his adventures. Not long after, Roz breaks up with him for cheating on her, but Frasier wants to keep on being friends with him (mainly due to not having a lot of friendships himself). Classic comedy, especially the final scene where Frasier & Roz are hiding in the ship's closet space - LOL.

    It's worth noting that Cole also starred in the underrated drama Midnight Caller (1988-1991), where he played a late-night radio talk show host...though that show was a lot less comedic than Frasier - LOL.

    -Roz enlists the aid of Martin to help her pick out a puppy (a dalmation). And, they end up fighting over the best way to raise/treat the dog - ha ha. This brings to mind two parents (who have split up) arguing over the best way to raise their child - LOL. Extremely funny.

    -Frasier goes with Roz to a sci-fi/comic book convention to pick up some X-men comics for his son Frederick. While there, he notices a man signing autographs for sci-fi fans - and recognizes him as his old high school drama teacher. As it turns out, both Frasier & Niles remembered him as a great Shakespearean actor. However, in the subsequent years - the man had acted on a well-known, campy sci-fi TV show - which is why he was at the convention. Frasier & Niles feel that the former teacher's talents are wasted on a lowbrow (ha ha) sci-fi show, so they want to bring him back to his former glory - by having him star in a one-man show where he will read segments from Shakespeare's plays - ha ha.

    However, as it turns out, the former teacher is just a loud blow-hard who has no talent...Niles & Frasier were just remembering him with the naivete of youth - LOL. But, they find this out too late to cancel the show - ha ha.

    For some reason, the fictitious sci-fi show the teacher starred in reminds me of the film Galaxy Quest (1999) - a very funny "behind the scenes" look at a cheesy sci-fi TV show. This film only came out a couple of years prior to this Frasier episode, so I wonder if the show's writers were "inspired" by the movie re: this episode - LOL.
     
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    Yes the talentless actor episode The Show Must Go Off is a pretty good one.

    I think my favorite episode from S8 is Forgotten But Not Gone- Frasier quits the wine club so he can focus on doing wine reviews at KACL, and Daphne’s fill in physical therapist (played by Jennifer Coolidge) whips Martin into shape.

    Daphne returns is a good episode too- her return from the spa leads to difficult feelings between her and Niles.
     
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    A couple other good episodes from S8-

    Sliding Frasiers- a clever episode where 2 different scenarios are playing out, both ending in frustration for Frasier. One of them is he meets an attractive girl by way of an accident in Nervosa, and he smothers her with affection to the point that she loses interest in him. The other is he doesn’t meet the attractive girl (she hurts another guy in Nervosa), so he goes on his speed date that night, and meets a bunch of women who he has no interest in.

    Hungry Heart- Kenny wants Frasier to get him out of a date he made, and by way of mistaken identity and a lie, Frasier starts dating Kenny’s wife. This is the show when Daphne leaves the show for a few weeks to “go to the spa over her weight problem”.
     
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    Yes, both were great episodes as well.

    Sliding Frasiers was especially bizzare because it had a kind of "alternate reality" vibe, by showing two different scenarios for Frasier; you wonder which one "actually" happened - not that it mattered. I also thought it funny how the ending of both scenarios was exactly the same ;)

    Hungry Heart was another fantastic episode; the mistaken identity element was hilarious, especially how Kenny's wife (illeana Douglas) intentionally kept up the charade of making Frasier think she was someone else, when she had plenty of opportunities to correct him - LOL. Always nice to see Douglas in anything; she's a very underrated actress.
     

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