TravisR
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^ It's Shohreh Agdashloo. She played Dina Araz in the fourth season of 24 and was nominated for an Oscar for House Of Sand And Fog.
Figured she was just referring to the person who stole Gibbons' identity.Originally Posted by TonyD
So what aout the little girl saying D. Gibbons is a bad MAN?
Good point, Joe. And possibly even more important, how many of these things would happen at all if it wasn't for the flash? In some instances it's 'cause' and 'prophecy' rolled into one.Originally Posted by Joe_H
Kind of striking how many of these things are self-fulfilling prophecies that they're having. He sees himself as the lead investigator, so he's the lead investigator. The wife sees herself cheating, which could add tension that leads to her cheating. There were quite a couple other that I thought of during the episode, but I can't think of them now. But how many of these things would happen if they hadn't seen them happen?
On the other hand some things that people saw in their glimpse into the future may not be exactly what they thought they were. There may be more than one way of interpreting events.Originally Posted by pitchman
Good point, Joe. And possibly even more important, how many of these things would happen at all if it wasn't for the flash? In some instances it's 'cause' and 'prophecy' rolled into one.
I was thinking the same thing. And why does Mark need to pin the stuff on the board in the exact places they were in his vision? Why not mix it up a little?Originally Posted by Joe_H
Kind of striking how many of these things are self-fulfilling prophecies that they're having. He sees himself as the lead investigator, so he's the lead investigator. The wife sees herself cheating, which could add tension that leads to her cheating. There were quite a couple other that I thought of during the episode, but I can't think of them now. But how many of these things would happen if they hadn't seen them happen?
I guess I didn't phrase that well, Neil. I was talking about the event itself, rather than any interpretation of the resulting visions. A vast number of people died during, and as a result of, the event. Would so many people have otherwise died on this date? I suspect not. The "future" that folks saw is a direct result of the flash, IMO. I hope this is addressed as we move forward in the story.Originally Posted by NeilO
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On the other hand some things that people saw in their glimpse into the future may not be exactly what they thought they were. There may be more than one way of interpreting events.
One side of seeing the future is that if you know you ar going to be around six months from now are you "invulnerable" until then? Will we see some people taking risks they might not otherwise take?
It was very late when I was watching so I missed some details in my fatigue, but I remember the cupcake lady saying, "Thank you for saving my credit score." I suppose she could still be defrauded again in the next few months, but didn't they clear up the Pigeon identity theft already? If I was Harold, I'd be going to White Castle to celebrate the idea that some things can be changed based on that.Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco Whatever the case, we've yet to see a single foreseen event avoided that I can recall.
Are you saying she is misinterpreting her flash forward, and that the shirtless guy in her living room, the one she calls "honey" (or something else, I forget), is merely her friend?Originally Posted by Nelson Au
Right, after seeing last night's episode, Penny (I now, Olivia) might think she'll have an affair with the father of her patient. But I suspect what she's interpreting is affection because they could have befriended him and his son, and nothing more. Their kids certainly are acting like they are good friends.
But we don't yet know what Dillon saw in his flash forward. Obviously Olivia was part of it since he knew her name, just like Olivia's daughter knew Dillon's name. The guy's flash could revolve around something he was observing (on TV perhaps) since we see him sitting on the couch in Olivia's living room. He may not even know where he is, but rather there is something else going on that is the focus of his flash forward. Therefore, he wouldn't necessarily have to know who Olivia is, just like Olivia's husband saw the dolls in his flash but had no idea of the location where he saw them.Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
None of which explains why the guy would have to see her to know her. His kid wasn't anywhere around in the moment, but he knows her face and name.
I think you basically answered your own question. Lloyd doesn't recognize Olivia because he wasn't in the moment, or rather, his moment didn't involve thinking about her. It seems resonable that the characters' consciousness don't know literally everything their future minds would know--only what they are thinking about during that specific moment in time. So, unless future-Lloyd was thinking to himself "I love Olivia, I love Olivia, I love Olivia...," present-Lloyd wouldn't know it.Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Don't forget that these "flashfowards" are not outside observances. She didn't see herself seeing her new man. She was in the moment, feeling and thinking what she would have been feeling and thinking. She even mentioned the feeling of absolute love she had for the guy.
At the same time, the main guy didn't just think he might have been drinking. He tasted it, he knew he was off the wagon, etc.
None of which explains why the guy would have to see her to know her. His kid wasn't anywhere around in the moment, but he knows her face and name.
Originally Posted by TravisR
^ It's Shohreh Agdashloo. She played Dina Araz in the fourth season of 24 and was nominated for an Oscar for House Of Sand And Fog.
Or that they are putting things on the board only because they think they are supposed to having seen them in the flash.Originally Posted by Joe_H
Kind of striking how many of these things are self-fulfilling prophecies that they're having. He sees himself as the lead investigator, so he's the lead investigator. The wife sees herself cheating, which could add tension that leads to her cheating. There were quite a couple other that I thought of during the episode, but I can't think of them now. But how many of these things would happen if they hadn't seen them happen?