Alex Prosak
Supporting Actor
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Oh...great, Top Gun samurai now.But then I've really only liked a couple of his movies. I'll take Zatoichi or a Toshiro Mifune flick over that any day.
they should call this one Dances with Wolves II - The Samurai YearsHeh, no doubt. I just read the script the other day and the first thing that went through my mind was "hey, it's Dances With Wolves...but in Japan" It could still be a good movie, though, if Ed Zwick and the supporting cast do well.
Oh...great, Top Gun samurai now. But then I've really only liked a couple of his movies. I'll take Zatoichi or a Toshiro Mifune flick over that any day.DITTO... but I'll give it a try out of love for the arts and culture...
(EDIT) I Just watched the new footage and I saw twirling katana by Cruise!!!
(EDIT) I Just watched the new footage and I saw twirling katana by Cruise!!!remember cruise is a westerner who is trained in the art of kenjutsu - it's understandable (and perhaps even to be expected) that he would add his own personalizing embellishments to the technique.
Man I really hope he does jsutice to the culture and art of the samurai.Based on what I read, I'd say the movie's well-intentioned. However, I'm not knowledgeable enough about Japanese culture but there were one or two things that seemed highly questionable to me. It wouldn't surprise me at all if experts on samurai rip into the movie when it comes out.
I'm still looking forward to this film. It looks great.me too. and yes, it certainly does.
remember cruise is a westerner who is trained in the art of kenjutsu - it's understandable (and perhaps even to be expected) that he would add his own personalizing embellishments to the technique.
I think I remember it was a Bokken now, instead of a live blade katana, but still... I buy this if he is a hollywood actor sent over to Japan to embellish and make mockery of the arts, but in that time period I would find it hard to believe that men who used the weapon (Even Union/U.S. Soldiers) like a saber (not katana) as a side arm to play with. I don't think anyone actually had the bright idea that twirling blades around was cool, when it offered nothing in the realm of practicality other than to feel Cool.
Anyone actually know the history of American soldier training with weapons in this time period? I'm sure twirling and show-boating wasn't the norm, or probably didn't exist at all...??? What I'm trying to say is I doubt that men of his supposed training would take weilding and training with deadly weapons so cavalierly.
Sorry, maybe I'm bitter, but in practical Kenjutsu and in this era of Japan, it's likely that a Samurai would have lsot the duel due to laughin at cruise with his twirly comedy act.
I buy this if he is a hollywood actor sent over to Japan to embellish and make mockery of the arts, but in that time period I would find it hard to believe that men who used the weapon (Even Union/U.S. Soldiers) like a saber (not katana) as a side arm to play with. I don't think anyone actually had the bright idea that twirling blades around was cool, when it offered nothing in the realm of practicality other than to feel Cool.yikes. i think maybe you're drastically misinterpreting the footage in the trailer: he does indeed have a bokken, and what he does is one slow "twirl" with it in his right hand just prior to entering his initial stance. i am not sure how this in any way constitutes a "mockery" of the art of kenjutsu.
as for the function of such "twirling", while i can't speak to kenjutsu, i can tell you that exactly that move does figure significantly into the filipino stick-fighting martial arts (kali, arnis), and is used not only combatively, but also in training as a means of increasing the flexibility of the wrist; ideally, you should be able to have the weapon in a full fist - with no fingers opened or slack on the hilt - and to spin it around so that it looks like the weapon is spinning on a string.
of course, if one kind of sword-based art uses the technique, it's to be expected that it will appear as a form in other similar arts, just like the certain angles of attack and thrusts and parries are common to many weapons-based fighting systems.
but at any rate, purely on the narrative side of things, from what i can gather of cruise's character, it certainly doesn't seem implausible that the "twirl" would be an expression of what might be reasonably understood as his fundamental self-assuredness or cockiness, you know? i wouldn't be altogether surprised to see him get pantsed right after that move....