Firewire AND dvi inputs on HDTV's? (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Brian]

Does anyone know if any upcoming HDTV's will have both Firewire and DVI? I think some Mitsubishi's will have Firewire, and all of Sony's new HDTV line will have DVI, but how about both? It seems that if these are the connections of the future, it would make sense to have both available. I'd appreciate any info.

Thanks,

Brian

 

[Mike I]

Unfortunatly, anything you hear, or read about dvi and fire wire is pure speculation at this point...It is a subject no one agrees on, The CEA, MPAA , FCC, Congress and the courts for that matter..It most likely will be years before it is all settled and could very well end up with nothing being changed...In a very recent Congressional Hearing, Congress told both the MPAA, and the CEA to come up with a solution that is agreeable to all ..If they can not decide in the next 24 months, congress will...In either case, what ever is decided will not effect Broadcast tv...

 

[Mr. Brian]

If DVI and Firewire is just speculation, why is Samsung the latest company to incorporate it into their equipment? Their upcoming set top boxes will include one or both of these digital interfaces. It sounds to me like this is slowly gaining acceptance.

Brian

 

[Mike I]

That is just it..Some companies are putting both in, some are putting one or the other, some are doing nothing...It is still all very much up in the air and will be for some time to come...It is just as likely niether one will never be used ....

 

[Roy H]

Hi Brian, you can add Zenith to the list as well. They also are in the DVI game already! Here is a nice plasma they have put on the market (with DVI). IMHO it is just a matter of time.

*Zenith P42w22 42 Inch Plasma TV EDTV Monitor with DVI input

Brushed Silver Bezel.

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Comment : This is a new unit from Zenith, A 82 year old company , This unit has many nice features including Aspect Ratio Correction and Intelligent Image Scaling. ( no side bars in 4/3) 10 watts per channel ( speakers are a option) A nice feature on this unit is the DVI. It is fanfree so it is very quiet and Zenith has given a life of 30000 hours.. It also includes a antiglare filter but still puts out 350 cdm with the filter installed. This unit contains the Faroudja chipset* making it a very good choice for the home theater / video market.

Zenith P42w22 42 Inch Plasma TV EDTV Monitor with DVI input Features

*852 x 480p Resolution

*500:1 Contrast Ratio

*Aspect Ratio Correction

*Intelligent Image Scaling

*NTSC,* SD,* VGA, SVGA Inputs

*RS-232 Controls

*DVI Inputs

*FCC Class B ( Home or commercial use)

*25'' H x 42'' W x 3.2''

*Antiglare filter

*Multiple Rear Interfaces Including : RGB 15-Pin, Hi-Res Component Video In, S-Video In, 2 Sets Audio/Video In/Out, DVI, RS232*

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*P42W22 - 42 inch Zenith Plasma TV 16:9 EDTV Monitor Plasma Display

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Screen Size: 42'' diagonal

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Video Specifications

Resolution Display: 852 x 480p

Color Temperature: 8000K

Aspect Ratio: 16:9

Contrast Ratio: 500:1

Brightness: 350 cd/m2 (with filter)

Pixel Pitch: 0.36 (H) x 1.08 (V)

Viewing Angle: 160 Degrees

Format Conversion: Intelligent Image Scaling

Aspect Ratio Correction: Yes

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Zenith P42 Plasma TV Audio Specifications*

Dolby Digital: Yes

EZ Sound: Yes

Mono/Stereo/MTS/SAP: Stereo

Bass/Treble/Balance: Yes

Total Audio (Watts): 2 x 10 Watts

Speaker: Optional

Subwoofer: Optional

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P42w22 Zenith Plasma Controls*

Contrast: Yes

Brightness/Sharpness: Yes

Tint: Yes

Color, Color Temperature: Color Control Only

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*Zenith 42 Plasma tv Display Specifications*

Display Frequency: 15.73 to 64kHz (H); 50 to 120 Hz (V)

PLE (Peak Luminance Enhancement): Yes

Displayable Colors: 16.77 Million

Color Gradation Filter: Yes

Input Signal: NTSC, SD, VGA, SVGA

Display Modes: Normal, Wide, Zoom

Side Panels (Gray Bars for 4:3 display): No

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Output Resolution Specifications*

NTSC, VGA: 852 x 480p

EDTV: 852 x 480p

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Jack Pack Specifications*

S-Video In: Yes

RGB (VGA/HD-DBS): 1 15-Pin D Type Connector

Hi-Res Component Video In Y, PB, PR: 1 Set

Audio L/R In/Loop Out: 2 Sets

Control/RGB Interface Connector: 1 (25-Pin RGB 12C)

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Cabinet Description*

Cabinet Style: New

Front Finish: Brushed Silver

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Special Features*

Acoustic Noise: Yes

Fan Free, Noise Free: Yes

Auto-Power On: Yes

Discrete Power Off: Yes

Last Source On: Yes

Multi-Lingual Menus: Yes (English/French/Spanish)

RS232 Control: Yes

Detachable AV Terminal: Yes

Digital RGB (DVI): Yes

White Balance Adjustment: Yes

Display Mode Change (Vertical): Yes

New Chassis (New Design): Yes

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P42W22 - 42 inch Zenith Plasma TV* Optional Accessories*

Table/Desk Mount/Pedestal: Pedestal Mount (Desk Top Type)

Wall Mount: Optional

Ceiling Mount: No

Integrated Power Supply: Yes

AC-Line: 120V

PCMCIA Flash Card Interface: No

Included Software: No

Anti-Reflection Screen: Included PDP Screen Filter

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Approvals*

UL, C-UL, NOM: UL, FCC Class B

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Operating Enviroment *

Humidity Range: 20–80%

Altitude: 2000m

Operating Temperature: 0 Degrees C – 40 Degrees C

Temperature Range: Minus 20 Degrees C – 60 Degrees C

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Additional Specifications*

Power Consumption: 340 Watts

Power Source: 115V 60Hz

MTBF: Approximately 30,000 Hours

Life Expectancy: Approximately 30,000 Hours

 

[Roy H]

Brian you can add JVC to the DVI mix as well. Here is just one of the TV's they have on the market with DVI inputs. They also have a 61 in version as well!!!!!

AV36P902

36" Progressive Scan 1080i HDTV Monitor

*36" Progressive Scan 1080i HDTV Monitor w/DVI/HDCP

*Real Flat Screen Picture Tube w/INVAR Shadow Mask

*Dual Tuner Picture in Picture w/Multi Index

*Digital 4 Mega 10 Bit 3D Y/C Comb Filter

*Natural Cinema (3-2 Pull Down)

*Natural Progressive Technology

*Digital Super Detail (DSD) Circuitry

*16:9 Mode for Anamorphic DVDs

*Velocity Scan Modulation

*Real Color and Real Detail Creation

*Dynamic Focus

*Digital Noise Clear Circuitry

*White Character Correction

*BBE High Definition Audio

*Hyper Surround Sound

*10 Watts Total Audio Power

*XDS Auto Clock Set

*Illuminated Super Command Universal Remote w/DVD Control Capability

*Hyper Scan

*Plug In Menu

*Return+

*Black Level Expansion

*English, French, and Spanish Menus

*Multi-Function Timer w/Sleep Mode

*V-Chip and Channel Guard

*Energy Star Compliant

*4 AV Inputs - 3 Rear, 1 Front, 3 S-Video Inputs - 2 Rear, 1 Front, 2 Component Video Inputs

*1 HDCP Compliant DVI Digital Input, 1 Fixed/Variable Audio Output, 1 AV Compu Link III

 

[VicRuiz]

Two models with DVI? Wow, what a groundswell! How many different models of HDTVs do Zenith, Samsung, and JVC have? 10-15 each?
The fact remains that the vast majority of their HDTVs still will have only component inputs.
And what was the resolution of that plasma? 852 x 480p? Wow, HDTV should really look good on that puppy! :rolleyes

 

[Jack Briggs]

Brian: Mike is pointing you in the right direction. No matter what is decided, network-originated programming will not be affected. It's the studios' paranoia regarding copy protection that's throwing the industry into an uproar. Thankfully, D-VHS D-Theater is one alternative to the mess, and, eventually, some form of high-def optical disc will reach the market. JB

 

[Mike I]

Broadcast tv will never be effected if and when DVI or firewire ever comes about anyway..Basically it will only effect PPV premium channel movies if ever implamented....

 

[Jay_E]

Mike I,

I am confused regarding your recent posts:

Broadcast tv will never be effected if and when DVI or firewire ever comes about anyway..Basically it will only effect PPV premium channel movies if ever implamented....

Mitsubishi has several TV models currently shipping with integrated OTA HDTV tuners/firewire. These work with the currently shipping Mits. D-VHS HDTV video recorder. Saying that firewire will never be used or that it will not apply to broadcast TV doesn't make sense. With the Mits. combo you can view/record broadcast HDTV over a firewire interface. Firewire is not a future technology, it is available now. DVI on the other hand has still not yet been utilized becuase there are no currently available HDTV source devices that output DVI.

Jay

 

[Mike I]

What I am saying is you will still be able to recieve broadcast tv Hd without firewire or dvi even if it does come about as a method for copy protection...Recording it on an HD vcr is another matter...

The mits promise module will be out this full and will allow current sets to use there HD vcr ..The module carries a 1394 interface amoung other connections...

 

[Mike I]

The mits promise module...

Mitsubishi Drops Analog TV, Bows 'Promise'

By Greg Tarr

TWICE

4/15/2002

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ORLANDO, FLA.— Mitsubishi announced to dealers here that it has dropped analog NTSC-only television sets from its 2002 line, and would again distribute a plasma display panel and a pair of HDTV monitors with screens configured for the 4:3 aspect ratio.

At the same time, the company officially announced it would distribute this fall its "Promise Module," an ATSC tuner and digital connecting package, through authorized Mitsubishi service technicians. The module incorporates the IEEE-1394 digital interface, a host of analog connectors, an over-the-air ATSC DTV broadcast tuner, and QAM digital cable support. Also added is full support for home networking systems including HAVi Level 2 and DTCP copy protection over 1394 digital wiring. For ease of use, the module includes high-end onscreen menu displays with icon activation.

Due to possible "digital content protection" issues, the module must be professionally attached to the rear of any of its HDTV monitors. The module will retail for "less than $1,000, including installation," the company said.

The announcements came at a dealer show here, where Mitsubishi celebrated its leading DTV market share status. Mitsubishi marketing VP Bob Perry said the company now enjoys better than 55 percent share in digital television, and plans to hold onto that position by investing in new technologies and product development timed to meet market demand.

To underscore the point, he cited Mitsubishi's return to the plasma display panel category with a 50W-inch HDTV model (HD-5010). Another manufacturer builds portions of the flat-panel display to Mitsubishi's specifications, Perry acknowledged. He said the plasma panel uses a single proprietary cable connection, "MonitorLink," to a separate tuner module (HD-5000), which will carry connectors for outboard video sources as well as NTSC and ATSC tuners and circuitry for onscreen guides.

It also employs Mitsubishi's expanded second generation NetCommand home networking system with IEEE-1394, HAVi and DTCP content protection. An advanced video scaling system is built into the panel to up- or down-convert video signals to the screen's 1365x768 native display, Perry said.

The HD-5010 plasma display will ship this fall at a $18,000 suggested retail.

Mitsubishi was the first company to announce plans for consumer-level plasma display panels several years ago, but ultimately dropped the category — and its own production of plasma products — citing the early hardships of producing panels that could be sold to consumer audiences.

Max Wasinger, Mitsubishi senior VP/sales and marketing, stressed the company's decisions to first exit and then re-enter the plasma category were based on optimal market timing "and doing what is right for the customer."

As for Mitsubishi's crusade to pioneer 1394 Home Networking systems, Perry said new legislation will soon surface in Congress to prevent broadcast television signals from being put on TCPIP computer networking connections, which should spur 1394 support, he said.

"Because 1394 has DTCP, [broadcast programming] clearly can go right on a 1394 home network. So you are going to see a very strong transition to 1394 home networks as a result of this legislation that we are going to be seeing soon."

Perry said Mitsubishi decided to re-introduce 4:3 digital projection televisions at the urging of a number of its dealers.

"Consumers are shifting quickly to 16:9 sets in terms of projection TV, but our analysis shows there is still a segment of consumers who want 4:3 sets, and they want digital capability," Perry said. In explaining the company's decision to drop analog projection TV, Perry said aggressive price declines in digital rear-projection monitors has squeezed profitability out of the analog models.

"A lot of manufacturers are stopping the manufacture of analog projection televisions, like us, and the few that are left are operating at very slim profit margins," Perry said. "Those slim profit margins translate directly to the dealers' bottom line."

 

[Jay_E]

There are several models from Mits. that already have intgrated HD tuners/firewire like this one (they don't need the promise module). They have been shipping for several months as has the HD D-HVS deck. The promise module is an upgrade for all Mits. HDTV owners who bought a set without an integrated HD tuner. Many people are not aware but this stuff is available now and has been for several months. In Florida the Sound Advice chain has these units in stock.
Jay

 

[Mike I]

Mits sets with intergrated tuners have been available for months , but the module for non intergrated sets has not been....

 

[Daryl Furkalo]

It also needs to be a DVI/HDCP input to be really 'future-proof' as many sets have normal DVI inputs. The DVI/HDCP input is the new input that the MPAA wants, and so far I believe JVC is the only manufacturer to release sets with this specific input.