Favorite 8 Channel SDDS presentations?

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  1. David Coleman

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    Here in my area I don't know of any cinemas that feature SDDS in 8 channel mode?

    Anyways I was reading on Sony's SDDS site about the films that have been released in 8 channel. To me it sounds really exciting and has me really looking forward to the next generation of home theater when you can have 8/8.1 channel sound.

    The basic configuration I believe is upfront 1 center channel, 2 effects channels and 2 other channels while in the back 2 surround channels (or a possible matrixed back channel)? Well this seemingly would give a much more fullfilling experience than the 5.1 or 6.1 would.

    I'm curious, is SDDS the only 8 channel theatrical presentation?

    I'd like to know what some of your favorite 8 channel presentations are? What films, any particular passages in the films, what about it made it great?

    The advantage is that whichever HIDEF disc format is chosen will be capable of reproducing these soundtracks!

    Let's hear your thoughts?

    David
     
  2. Leo Kerr

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    The SDDS eight-channel configuration is as follows:

    5 across the front (Left, Left-of-Center, Center, Rigth-of-Center, Right)

    2 across the back (left surround, right surround)

    and a limited band subwoofer track.

    Most SDDS theaters use the mix-down option that folds the two discreet off-center channels into phantom off-center channels.

    I'm not entirely sure how many films have been made that even use the two extra channels.

    Leo
     
  3. David Coleman

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    8 CHANNEL SDDS

    Warner Independent Pictures Sep/04 Criminal

    Columbia Pictures

    Jun/04 Spider Man 2

    Columbia Pictures Dec/03 Big Fish

    Screen Gems Sep/03 Underworld

    Columbia Pictures Jul/03 Bad Boys II

    Warner Bros. Jul/03 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

    Sony Pictures Jun/03 Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle

    20th Century Fox Nov/02 Solaris

    Sony Pictures Jul/02 Stuart Little 2

    Warner Bros. Jun/02 Scooby-Doo

    Sony Pictures May/02 Spider-Man

    DreamWorks S.K.G. Mar/02 The Time Machine

    Sony Pictures Jan/02 Black Hawk Down

    Warner Bros. Dec/01 Oceans 11

    Warner Bros. Nov/01 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone

    20th Century Fox Sep/01 Glitter

    Sony Pictures Jul/01 Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

    Buena Vista May/01 Pearl Harbor

    Sony Pictures May/01 A Knight's Tale

    New Line Cinema Mar/01 15 Minutes

    Miramax Dec/00 All The Pretty Horses

    Sony Pictures Dec/00 Finding Forrester

    Sony Pictures Dec/00 Vertical Limit

    Sony Pictures Nov/00 The 6th Day

    Sony Pictures Nov/00 Charlie's Angels

    Sony Pictures Aug/00 Godzilla 2000

    Sony Pictures Aug/00 Hollow Man

    Warner Bros. Jun/00 The Perfect Storm

    Universal Apr/00 U-571

    Buena Vista Mar/00 High Fidelity

    Universal Mar/00 Erin Brockovich

    Columbia Pictures Jan/00 Girl Interrupted

    Columbia Pictures Oct/99 Crazy in Alabama

    Columbia Pictures Sep/99 Blue Streak

    20th Century Fox May/99 Star Wars: Episode One, The Phantom Menace

    TriStar Pictures/Phoenix Pictures Oct/98 Apt Pupil

    Universal Jun/98 Out of Sight

    Columbia Pictures/Mandalay Entertainment May/98 Les Miserables

    TriStar Pictures May/98 Godzilla

    Columbia Pictures Feb/98 Replacement Killers

    TriStar Pictures Nov/97 Starship Troopers

    TriStar Pictures/Mandalay Entertainment Oct/97 Seven Years In Tibet

    Columbia Pictures Aug/97 Mastermind

    Columbia Pictures Aug/97 Excess Baggage

    Columbia Pictures Jul/97 Men In Black

    Columbia Pictures/Beacon Communication Jul/97 Air Force One

    Buena Vista Jun/97 Con Air

    TriStar Pictures Jun/97 My Best Fr iend’s Wedding

    Warner Bros. May/97 Addicted To Love

    TriStar Pictures May/97 The Second Jungle Book: Mowgli & Baloo

    Columbia Pictures May/97 The Fifth Element

    Columbia Pictures Apr/97 Das Boot: The Director’s Cut

    Columbia Pictures Apr/97 Anaconda

    Columbia Pictures/Castle Rock Entertainment Jan/97 Ghosts Of Mississippi

    Columbia Pictures Sep/96 Fly Away Home

    TriStar Pictures Aug/96 Matilda

    Columbia Pictures/Castle Rock Entertainment Aug/96 Alaska

    TriStar Pictures/Mandalay Entertainment Aug/96 The Fan

    Columbia Pictures Jul/96 Multiplicity

    TriStar Pictures Apr/96 Mrs. Winterbourne

    TriStar Pictures Mar/96 Race The Sun

    TriStar Pictures Feb/96 Mary Reilly

    Triumph Pictures Jan/96 Screamers

    Miramax Jan/96 From Dusk Till Dawn

    Columbia Pictures Dec/95 Sense & Sensibility

    Columbia Pictures Dec/95 Dracula-Dead And Loving It

    TriStar Pictures Oct/95 Never Talk To Strangers

    TriStar Pictures Sep/95 Devil In A Blue Dress

    Columbia Pictures Aug/95 Desperado

    New Line Cinema Aug/95 Mortal Kombat

    Columbia Pictures Jul/95 The Net

    Columbia Pictures Jun/95 First Knight

    Buena Vista Jun/95 Judge Dredd

    TriStar Pictures May/95 Johnny Mnemonic

    Columbia Pictures Apr/95 Bad Boys

    TriStar Pictures Mar/95 Hideaway

    TriStar Pictures Jan/95 Legends Of The Fall

    Columbia Pictures Dec/94 Immortal Beloved

    TriStar Pictures Nov/94 Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein

    Columbia Pictures Sep/94 Next Karate Kid

    Columbia Pictures Aug/94 Blankman

    Columbia Pictures/Castle Rock Entertainment Jun/94 Little Big League

    Columbia Pictures/Castle Rock Entertainment Jun/94 City Slickers II: The Legend Of Curly’s Gold

    Columbia Pictures Dec/93 Geronimo - An American Legend

    TriStar Pictures Oct/93 Rudy

    Columbia Pictures Jul/93 In The Line Of Fire

    Columbia Pictures Jun/93 Last Action Hero
     
  4. Lewis Besze

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    Sony never persued SDDS as a home surround mode,and it's unlikely it will this time.
     
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    So far my favorite SDDS movies are Men In Black and Lost In Space.

    Sphere was terrible, Revenge Of The Sith was very dissappointing on an SDDS EX equipped theater.

    Revenge Of The Sith, I thought had a lousy mix. It was missing something, but the experience didn't even compare to the incredible experience I had in the past with Lost In Space on an SDDS mix.

    Lost In Space is a bad movie, but the sound mix in SDDS is to die for! TO DIE FOR! The Hyperdrive sequence blasts every star trek movie into a pile of rubble. I never got to see Star Ship Troopers in SDDS.

    I still think that are current releases are missing something in comparison to the older films, which even sound better with front imaging effects.

    MIB and Lost In Space on a simple 5.1 track is LOUSY!

    Does anyone disagree with me.

    I think most of these pre-SDDS movies released in 5.1 suck very bad.

    My point is 5.1 has still got a long way to go, because SDDS is still with us.

    Batman Begins, GREAT MIX, SDDS was alive and kicking the way I remember it. (I love that scene when the cops are trying to describe a big black tank flying over roof tops.)

    Now that you mention it, there are movies that do sound bad even on SDDS system. Perhaps Revenge Of The Other Sound Sith, was mixed for THX-EX Theater Set-up.

    I think this is getting out of hand. Now consumers are NOT getting what they paid for, the sound, that the director had intended for us to hear, that breath-taking 3D effect that we still get from the older 5.1 mixes. And it's also from certain theater.

    I beleive that there are movies that actually sound bad even on SDDS sound systems. Sphere, Lost In Space, Time Machine, Spiderman. Of course for some I did sit in different locations.

    For now if I do go to an SDDS screening, I will sit on the 4th - 6th rear speakers facing directly behind my ears. The sounds start to lose detail when you get closer to the screen.

    Tonight I am going to view batman just off to the side on 4th rear speaker. Sitting position shouldn't make a difference, I should still be able to hear that impressive sound, the same sound I had when watching certain SDDS movies in the past.

    War Of The Worlds on a THX cinema 5.1 theater system was aweful.

    War Of The Worlds in SDDS would have been just awesome!
     
  6. Peter Apruzzese

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    SDDS is just about finished as a theatrical format - Sony said they were dropping support of it in the near future.
     
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    Looks like the next best experience will be dolby digital plus.

    Has anyone noticed the difference in surround imaging, between an SDDS movie and the same movie played in Dolby Digital.

    I think dolby digital plus will give the ultimate experience we've been hoping for.

    What might be called DD 5.1

    might be changed to DD+ 7.1

    Star Ship Troopers in Dolby Digital + 13.1

    Hows that for a home theater experience.

    Dolby Digital Plus could move us closer to the SDDS experience. I think SDDS should drop out, the DVD selling empire has spoken. The real money about to be made is the next movie willing to poke it's head out enter the marketplace, the video stores. I'll tell you what if they release dark water in surround ex, I don't care how bad it is I'll buy it. Sometimes good sound can help the movie experience. Fear of the dark had some great sound as well bad-bad reviews though, but the sound also seem to help the experience to be more watchable. I didn't think it was too boring later on, when I saw those same black ugly things run out into the forest and torward the camera wicked scene I thought.
     
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    "Air Force One" is some of the best sound panning I've heard. Jets flying across the front channels are amazing. The placement of gunshots was also excellent.

    I know that the Esquire (St. Louis/Richmond Heights) main screen had the full 8 channel SDDS going during the 90's. I think they've let it slip since then and converting to DD-EX. The Esquire was the first theater in St. Louis to have SDDS; they pushed it big time when they used it for the first time with "Bad Boys".
     
  9. Lewis Besze

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    It's funny how some of you remember how movies sounded back in the theaters several years ago, even give comparisons between formats that didn't take place side by side for obvious reasons.Fascinating![​IMG]
     
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    Home SDDS? Why? Are you going to pair it with your 50 foot screen?
     
  11. Chuck Stephens

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    I worked at a theater with an 8 channel SDDS screen and was never that impressed by it. The SR-D(Dolby Digital) and DTS houses sounded far better every time. I know this because we routinely ran multiple prints so I could go in and do comparisons on different scenes and the SDDS always sounded thin. The bass response was always superior in the other 2 formats with the DTS just edging out the SR-D. And don't get me started on how often SDDS tracks went out. Because the SDDS track is on the outside edge of the film it was always get worn first and consequently would begin to fail after only a few weeks. Just my 2 cents[​IMG]
     
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    Didn't DTS have a 7.1 system as well? I believe it was specifically for 70mm presentation. A friend told me this is how he experienced TITANIC at the Loews Astor in New York back in '97.
     
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    Yes. It's called "dts special venue", but it's essentially a custom setup.
    From dts propaganda
     
  14. Tim Glover

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    Can't really remember which films I've seen were in this format other than Starship Troopers. Pretty cheezy film, but absolute stunning sound.
     
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    I use the Sony SDDS DFP-D3000 in my home THX cinema, using the AUX 1 and AUX 2 D-25 inputs and outputs to Lucasfilm Ltd THX sound system. Also use the non-sync on the SDDS.
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    The 8 channel input/outputs are simply re-wired re-plugged with rear back stereo surrounds onto LC RC channels simple few minute job,

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    I'd love to have the Immortal Beloved SDDS 8 Channel soundtrack on home video in all its glory. I saw it in '95 in SDDS (complete with screen insert before start of film) and the sound was impressive. During the Ode near the end of the film, I'm sure my eyes were bugging out of my head. :)


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