Fates Warning - FWX (2004)

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  1. Jay Mitchosky

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    Never faithfully followed Fates Warning but knew who they were and always liked what I heard. I'm a huge Queensryche fan and this style of music appeals to me. Shopping online for some new music and found they released a "new" album (2004). Glad I ordered it - excellent disc. Great feel and tone. Lots of textures. Fans will already have this disc, but anyone looking for some new progressive music would do well to check this out.
     
  2. Mike Broadman

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    Second.

    A gorgeous album. I would even go so far as to say it's their best album since Parallel Symmetry.
     
  3. Jim_C

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    An excellent album. Their last 3 have been top notch, IMO. I've picked up 3 prog albums recently (Spock's Beard - Octane, Neal Morse - One, and FWX) and I think FWX is the best of the bunch. One is pretty close, though.
     
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    I've been a Fates fan since No Exit, and this one really didn't do a lot for me. Very well recorded and some good moments, but I find I like Disconnected better than this, and I thought Disconnected was far from perfect. Maybe I need to give it more time.

    Rating the Ray Alder Fates records with Mark Zonder (which to me is where the Fates I love began), I would put them in the following order:

    1-Parallels/A Pleasant Shade Of Gray (tie)
    2-Perfect Symmetry
    3-Inside Out
    4-Disconnected
    5-FWX

    Of course, I'd still take FWX over most of the "prog metal" crowding the scene these days.
     
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    I've seen Mike Portnoy mention Spock's Beard on occasion. I should check that out. Also picked up Gordian Knot which is wild, and the third Frank Gambale/Steve Smith/Stu Hamm outing. Crazy, crazy stuff. For fellow guitar players out there Gambale is at the top of his game with his sweep picking. I dug out an old instructional video of his (back from the 80s) - to watch him play is at once mesmerizing and surreal. His right hand is casually gracing over the strings while all these crazy notes are singing out. Ridiculous technique.

    I'm going to have to track down those other Fates' discs.
     
  6. Rob M.

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    Glad to see this disc getting some attention. It's fast becoming my favorite Fates album, and "Heal Me" is defintely my favorite Fates song.




    Get thee a copy of Octane immediately. It's fantastic. Neal who? [​IMG] Kidding, I love One as well.
     
  7. Jim_C

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    You should also get a copy of V and Snow in addition to Octane. I'd suggest you start with those before Octane. As good as it is, Octane is not the same as the older stuff with Neal still in the band.

    If you haven't already done so, get the two Transatlantic cd's. Morse from Spock's Beard, Portnoy from Dream Theater, Stolt from The Flower Kings, and Trewavas from Marillion. Can you say Super Group?? Both SMPTe and Bridge Across Forever are phenomenal.



    Do any of you guys listen to the really old Fates Warning? My first FW cassette (yes, cassette) was Awaken the Guardian. I still listen to this CD. It's really good, IMO, but definitely NOT similar to the current FW sound.
     
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    There are days I think I like Transatlantic more than Dream Theater (but then I snap out of it [​IMG]). If you haven't heard TA, run--don't walk--to the record store a pick up SMPTe. It will put a smile on your face.

    For TA fans who want even more (considering the group is no more), there are two CDs I recommend. One is the "Roine Stolt mix" of SMPTe, and the other is Neal Morse's Transatlantic demos. You'll find that while the other three guys certainly contributed a lot, the songs were Morse's babies.

    Morse's solo stuff, though over-the-top-religious at times (he quit the Beard and TA to do Christian music), is impressive as well.

    I agree that Fates' Awaken the Guardian is much different than later albums.
     
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    >>Morse's solo stuff, though over-the-top-religious at times (he quit the Beard and TA to do Christian music), is impressive as well
     
  10. Mike Broadman

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    Nice to see Octane is making a good impression. I will have to pick that up.

    Jay, wich Gordian Knot album did you get, the s/t one with the blue cover or the orange one? IMO, the first one (blue) is much better, more nuanced and musical, while the latter is nice but not as "special" and unique as the first.

    FWIW, my favorite Spock's Beard records are Beware of Darkness, Kindness of Stranger and, to a lesser extent, V. Snow has some good material but, like most double albums, has a lot of filler, too.

    I haven't picked up solo Morse because I just almost never follow the careers of ex-band guys gone solo. Have other priorities in music collecting.

    Old-school Fates Warning is fun, but the singer can get pretty damn annoying.
     
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    Hey Jay,

    What's the name of that Gambale record with Hamm and Smith? Must check that out...



    Agreed in spades. There are some tunes that I like on AtG, but I've never understood why some long-time prog fans hail John Arch. It's like he has something against singing a straight melody that doesn't twist and turn and morph 4 times in 2 bars. [​IMG]

    I think the new Spock's Beard is a lot better than Feel Euphoria, but the Neal Morse stuff is still better. I've only recently got into the band, and I found myself liking Beware Of Darkness and V the best. Transatlantic was very well done as well.
     
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    I'll agree with you guys WRT the old Fates singer. He's an acquired taste. I still like to listen to the album, though. Probably because of all the memories it brings back.
     
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    I also really enjoy this album with Disconnected. I've got all their albums and musically, they've evolved so much.

    Since drummer Mark Zonder has left the band, there were rumors that Fates Warning will call it quits after their tour. I don't know what to think because I'm sure they could find another drummer close to what Zonder has done.

    Zonder recorded his tracks before the rest of the band and in a different studio. The result is just amazing; the production is top notch. I would hope FW has more life in them.

    I agree about original singer John Arch. I listened to sample clips from his solo album and couldn't listen anymore...
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    Excerpt from a Monday post on Blabbermouth.net:

    "FATES WARNING drummer Mark Zonder recently gave an interview to the group's official web site about his current status with the band, his drumming technique and his other projects, among other topics. Several excerpts from the interview follow:

    Q: The Official statement regarding your involvement with FATES WARNING stated that one of the primary reasons for your decision to leave was due to issues with touring. Being the "Internet Age" some rumors were bound to surface. We've found that there is some confusion about your plans for future FATES WARNING involvement, as well as what led up to the decision to separate from the band. Can you shed some light on this?

    Mark Zonder: "I had no intentions of quitting the band. As Ray [Alder, vocals] has stated in a previous interview, we have not made any decisions about future recordings."

    So there's still hope it seems...
     
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    Maybe, but Zonder is one of the most unique drummers around. His addition to the band was a dramatic improvement.
     
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    "Official statement"? If it was official, then that would mean Zonder did leave the band (according to the way the Question is worded). If Zonder had no intention of quitting the band, then was he fired? But Zonder's statement contradicts the question so it sounds like he's still a member.

    You can't even trust their "official website" (which I would not consider their official site). FW does not acknowledge this site or any other FW site in their liner notes. Other bands would do that for their sites. So I would go to the musicians' sites and Zonder's does not say anything about leaving Fates Warning.

    If they were to replace Zonder, hopefully the new drummer would have his own style that fits in and create a new identity for the band.

    Zonder mentions that he finished filming "Simple Human" for video and mentions a DVD of their tour (which he can view as an audience member). Could that mean a DVD for us on the horizon? What would be awesome is if they did music videos for the entire album remixed in 5.1 sound but also include a 2.0 track.
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    Greetings Keith [​IMG]

    I'm one of the webmasters for the fw.com site. While scanning the web for tidbits to add to the site database, this thread came up [​IMG]

    Very, very cool to be reading about Fates in a HT forum such as this one. I'm actually quite pleased to have come upon this place, as I am an AV enthusiast and used to work as an AV Digital Specialist for a high end retailer here in SoCal. APSOG was one of my *heavy* demo disks for Audio gear [​IMG]

    Anyway, I just wanted to clarify that fw.com is(now) the official site. We have only recently (within the last two months) been given that status by Jim and Metal Blade . The other site that is and has been considered an official site is fateswarning.info, which is run by the incredible Michael Kizer and has been an invaluable Fates Warning resource for many years.

    As for Mark's status within the band. We can only go by what we are told. "Official" only is used when we have received the information and/or statements directly from band members (past and present), Metal Blade and their affiliates. When I learned of the differing statements, I contacted Jim and asked him in which category Mark should be placed on the site. Jim said "Previous Member". Mark and Ray have both stated that recording involvement is not being dismissed. To be honest, I don't know what to think about it. I felt it best to post the information given directly by Jim. I personally hope that Mark will continue on as the recording drummer [​IMG]

    Please feel free to contact me if you have anything you'd like to share, or if you have any questions. I'm just ecstatic about being able to help out my favorite band in some capacity [​IMG]

    Colleen
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    "Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort." FDR
     
  18. Keith I

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    Welcome to HTF, Colleen! Thanks for your input and sorry that my statements were harsh towards your site. In this information age, so much gets mixed up and with all the he-said-she-said-type statements that arise, it just gets frustrating.

    I would go with Jim's statement and believe that Mark is no longer in the band. Mark's statement is still too vague and does not specifically answer the question, "Are you still a member of Fates Warning?" It sounds as if he thinks he might still be in the band but they have not made any decisions on what they'll do for their next album (if they make one).

    But your site design is really nice and it's good to hear you have gotten the status of "official website" for the band. Since you got that distinction a few months ago, hopefully it's not the end of the band.
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    Defintely not, from what I understand. *whew!* And no worries at all. That issue is a headache, though... lol

    Thanks for the compliment on the site design. Dennis is the mastermind behind the layout. I designed the Point Of View forum (fateswarning dot proboards28 dot com) and we work on the behind the scenes stuff together. Be on the lookout for a new menu interface and a new forum. Currently there's *Euro* version and more of a US version. And with the amount of scattered info, the less clutter the better [​IMG]

    Some pics from Hungary's show are linked at the POV forum, and I usually post site updates, band info, etc. there as well.

    Hoping you have a killer weekend [​IMG]

    Colleen
     
  20. Jay Mitchosky

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    Colleen, welcome to the HTF! Glad you stumbled upon us. There are lots of progressive rock fans on this board in addition to the A/V nuts so you should fee right at home. Feel free to contact myself or any of the other moderators if you ever need assistance.
     

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