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UHD Review Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald UHD Review

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Todd Erwin, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Todd Erwin

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    Great review, I think you did a good job of capturing what works and what doesn’t here.

    When the Fantastic Beasts series was announced, it was originally slated to be a trilogy. That plan remained in place all while the first film was being written and produced. It was only after work was completed on the first film that it was announced that it would now be a series of five films.

    My guess - and it’s just that, a guess, with no inside info or anything - is that when Rowling was writing the second film, the ending kept getting further and further away from her, and that the number of films was expanded to accommodate that the story was twisting and turning into something more unwieldy.

    I think she’s in a tough spot because of the nature of the project. It’s a prequel. So the story is already constrained on what it can and can’t do because it has to fit into the larger world. Furthermore, the events in the Harry Potter films/books are meant to be the biggest and most dangerous conflict that’s ever happened in this situation. And we know from the Potter works when and how Grindelwald is defeated.

    So Rowling has put herself into this impossible situation where the stakes can’t be too high, the outcome can’t be a mystery, and the bad guy can’t win or even die. This entire film series is built to lead up to a dual that its target audience already knows the outcome of.

    What the first film had going for it was that it had new characters in a new setting. We had never seen America in the Potter world, and the cultural differences between Newt’s British upbringing and the rest of the Americans in the story gave the movie a little niche to occupy. But by shifting the ground back to Europe and reintroducing and reemphazing known characters and situations, Rowling ends up trapped where she can’t really move any of the pieces on the board in an interesting way because there’s only one way it can go, and that means that everything our characters want or hope to accomplish is ultimately irrelevant or already known to the audience.
     
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  3. Robert Crawford

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    I liked the first film and I've never watch a single Harry Potter film. My 3-D order is ready for pickup at Best Buy so I'm hoping when I redeem my code it upgrades to 4K/Dolby Vision on iTunes. If it does, I might forgo purchasing the 4K/UHD disc depending how much I really like this film. If I like it, I'll probably wait until Black Friday sales to buy it on 4K/UHD disc.
     
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    It doesn’t.

    Despite the fact that the first one did.
     
  5. Robert Crawford

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    Did you redeem at MA?
     
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    Sorry. Brain fart. Confused with a different film.

    But I think the first film was the only 3D film that redeemed in 4K as far as I know. Let us know how you make out.

    Also I redeem ALL my codes thru MA.
     
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    According to some folks on Bluray.com who got it early, it doesn't. I can remember 1 or maybe 2 Warner 3D that did upgrade (?Tomb Raider maybe), I don't think any of the others have.

    Do Warner code redeem directly in iTunes? I thought they had always been exclusively UV side of MA and it ported through to Itunes from there.
     
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    Yeah, it didn't work after redeeming at MA. Not a big deal as I wanted the 3-D disc with theatrical and extended versions. I'll pick up the 4K/UHD either on Digital if the pricing falls to $9.99 on iTunes or purchase the 4K disc during Black Friday sales.
     
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    Thanks for the review, Todd. I enjoyed both the Harry Potter films and books, but did not really care for the first installment in this prequel series -- thankfully I just rented it. I wasn't planning on seeing this 2nd film, and it sounds like from your review I am making the right decision. Stretching this story into five films seems like nothing more than a money grab from Rowling and Warner Brothers.
     
  10. Todd Erwin

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    And the feud between Amazon and Warner continues, as this title did not port over to my Amazon Prime Video library after redeemeing on Movies Anywhere......
     
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    Why didn't they just put the extended version on the disc? I don't get it.
     
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    I do. They're trying to hasten the transition to digital-only by offering digital exclusives. Remember, it's the studios who truly benefit from digital, not the consumer. Aside from the convenience offered by digital, the picture and sound are not as good as can be had with a disc, consumers are only paying for what amounts to an extended rental that can be revoked by the studio at any time, you can't trade it in, re-sell it, or let a friend borrow it; and there is no such thing as a secondary market when a studio makes a film unavailable for sale or rental. The studios gain full control over their films and there are no manufacturing or distribution costs. Studios LOVE digital and can't wait for the day when the market for physical media has shrunk to the point where they don't have to worry about it any longer.

    Sadly, the general public doesn't care about any of those things. It's the film fans who are losing out, but we're just a drop in the bucket when it comes to revenue. Nothing to be done about it, but I still don't like it.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I hear some young whipper-snappers on my front lawn that I feel compelled to shoo.
     
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    Here’s my guess: Physical media isn’t selling as well as it used to, and market research has determined that bonus features don’t drive sales, though they do drive up the budget on any release. Putting the extended version on disc would have cost the studio more - either in authoring costs if they included it on the same disc via seamless branching, or in replication costs if they included a second disc. The extra money spent would likely not result in a measurable increase of sales for the disc version, so they didn’t bother.

    That’s just my guess.
     
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    Or for who really want the bonus disc/extended on disc they'll just order it from Overseas anyway making those items appear far more desirable in the UK or Germany, just like 3D
     
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    I watched this on UHD/Dolby Vision tonight. Yes, the films are very busy with a diverse set of characters that just don't have the charm and interest of the Harry Potter series. It's interesting to see elements of the Potter mythology turn up in various ways in these Fantastic Beasts films, but I have to say a little bit of the beasts goes a long way with me. I was a lot more interested when we returned to Hogwarts for a bit of the film.
     
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    Well, the digital pricing for this movie in 4K/HDR has dropped to $9.99 on iTunes. I'm debating whether to purchase it and bypass the 4K/UHD disc all-together since I already own the 3-D disc.
     
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    We really enjoyed the first film but this one just didn't have the same spark as the first. Honestly I can barely remember what all happened in this one. I can't believe they are going to drag this out into 5 films.
     
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    I am presently watching this movie in 3D as I write this. It is an absolute reference disc on my modest Sony Active glasses system. I feel as if they have completely perfected this system only to abandon it!
     
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    Watched the 3D version of this tonight. The video quality and 3D was excellent, but I was very disappointed in the audio track. The 3D version has only a DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track (while the 2D has Dolby Atmos). Very little in the way of LFE (mostly just the scenes with the large Zouwu stomping around) and only a few instances where the surround sound kicked in. The whole soundtrack seemed very front-heavy.

    I'll have to put in the 2D version sometime and see if there's improvement, or if it's just the film. It seems like the whole opening escape sequence would have been a showcase for the sound system. It seemed very quiet and subdued on this version.
     

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