Explain Edge Enhancement To Me

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  1. David Von Pein

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    I'm admitting an awful secret.....

    I have no idea what Edge Enhancement is.

    What am I supposed to be seeing when I view EE? And what makes it the evil of all evils?

    I've never once pointed to my screen and uttered...."Oh God, NO! It's Edge Enhancement again! I can't watch any more!"

    Is EE REALLY a huge issue on DVD...or merely one more reason to gripe about a DVD transfer?

    Thanks for any help. (Anybody got any screenshots of examples of EE?)
     
  2. James L White

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    basicly it's ugly halos around hard lines and yes it sucks, I think it's caused by El' Nino [​IMG] j/k but it is a legit problem[​IMG]
     
  3. David Von Pein

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    WHY is it even needed?
     
  4. David Von Pein

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    Also: Is EE a problem on VHS pre-recorded cassettes? Or is it a Digital problem only?
     
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    It's a DVD thing. And mostly visible on larger high quality video displays, although Sony Wega owners claim to see it. I have a 4 year old Sony 32" trinitron and don't really notice it. On the Vista series "Tombstone" when Kurt Russell gets off the train you get a close up of his hat against the sky. If I pause the DVD and walk up to my tv I can see a halo. But I would have never noticed it had I not been a member of this forum. [​IMG]
     
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    The vast majority of those who are posting complaining of EE are those who are really Techno-fans NOT film fans! They sit around just analyzing the video instead of sitting back and actually enjoying the film itself! This has become a much over done thing in all these forums these days!
     
  9. Matt Pelham

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    Edge Enhancement is a problem.

    No it's not confined to DVDs, VHS tapes usually have the worst edge enhancement (halos 2-3 times bigger than the worst DVDs).

    If it's extreme enough it may be distracting, but once you learn to ignore it, it ceases to be a problem. That being said if you don't know what EE is, don't go researching it or else you'll start noticing it while you're watching movies.
     
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    If you don't know what EE is, then keep it that way. In this case, ignorance is bliss. Once you know what EE is, you will always notice it.
     
  12. David Von Pein

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    Not trying to start up a flaming B-B-Q pit here .... but I have a feeling that there's more than just a slight grain of truth in Sven's statement above. [​IMG]
    Over-analyzing anything is not good (IMO). Getting bent out of shape about each and every little blemish we see in films will eventually lead to thinking EVERY DVD looks like crap!
    Example: AOTC. I've read on several forums threads that read along the lines of .... "AOTC: Is It REALLY A Good Transfer?" And it's probably as close to perfection as we're likely to see on current SD-DVD. But some people STILL gripe about it.
     
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    I think that edge enhancement can be used by *some* folks to boast that they've got expensive set-ups where it's very noticeable. I don't think everyone who contributes to these debates falls into this camp, and some people are genuinely concerned with quality and that's it. This is laudable - we all want the best quality we can get - but I think it's also worth pointing out that EE was devised so that Joe [or Jo] Average, who can't afford a 60 inch screen and is stuck with a not very high quality set, can get a *subjectively* better picture.
    I think at times some of our beefs about standards of picture and sound, which are only an irritation when seen on a megabucks system and are unnoticeable on an average system, are just a little snobbish.
    Incidentally, about the obsession with screen size - are some members (I use the term advisedly) of this Forum *compensating* for something? [​IMG]
     
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  17. Mark Palermo

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    About 3 years ago, before I knew what edge enhancement was, I figured it was a problem with my new RPTV. The repair guy was absolutely baffled by it (I would point it out on the helicopter at the beginning of THE THING), and some people said I could get rid of it if I lined the inside of my set with non-reflective black fabric. I'm glad that I now know it's been a problem with the source material all along.

    Mark
     
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    i started out watching DVDs on my computer, which is probably the WORST thing to do in terms of EE. now i have a 36" HDTV, and i still notice it. i doesn't bother me that much, but it is nevertheless distracting (like Phantom Menace - oops, that wasn't edge enhancement, according to Van Ling). especially when it's an otherwise PERFECT transfer (like Pearl Harbor DC). i've never seen the Tombstone DVD.
     

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