Explain a Spider Man plot hole

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  1. Dave_Brown

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    Ok, this may be a little late but I was watching the movie again on HBO last night and there is a plot hole that I just can't let go of.
    Shouldn't there be at least a small handful of people who know the true identity of Spider Man? I mean, when he was in costume wrestling, he used his webbing to vault over the other guy. I would think when he went to collect his money without his mask the manager would have remembered later on when Spider Man showed up.

    Same goes for the tray in the cafeteria incident. There were plenty of kis who saw him draggin the tray out by his web. A couple weeks later, here comes this costume character all of a sudden who can lauch webbing. Not to mention his athletic ability in the school fight.

    Is there a rational movie explanation or is this another area I should just suspend belief on and enjoy the show?
     
  2. Kevin T

    Kevin T Screenwriter

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    i have this little mantra i like to repeat in situations such as this. rock back and forth and repeat:

    "it is only a movie. it is only a movie."

    kevin t
     
  3. Dave_Brown

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    Well if it is only a movie, then I guess this whole section should be removed as it deals with nothing but movies, right? I was hoping to avoid this type of response to a question of inquiry, but I guess it would be unavoidable.
     
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    I dont remember him giving his name for the wrestling match. Did he?

    If not, hes just some kid - even if they did see him without his mask.This is basically what Samm Hamm said about the unmasking scene in Batman during a interview years ago.

    As for the tray, I dont see how anyone would know it was webbing.
     
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  7. Qui-Gon John

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    Those people you mentioned Dave can't remember, besides, the glasses throw them off. (Hey it works for Superman)!

    [​IMG]
     
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    He was paid in cash so he didn't have to use his name.

    I would imagine that the wrestling promoter was too busy counting his money to look up and see Peter's face. Even if he did, without a name he wouldn't have any way to exploit this knowledge.

    I'm also not sure how much time passes from the wrestling match to the publication of Spidey photographs in the paper.
     
  9. Dave_Brown

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    True, he was paid in cash. However, thinking back on it he was told to "sign his name on the waiver" so he did use his name at some point. If the promoter really wanted to he could get the list of everyone who signed in that day and have, what 20-30 possible spidermen? Yeah, it's just a little thing and I have no problem just enjoying the movie for what it is and "oh my Lord I've gone cross-eyed" [​IMG]. Guess my practical side still says SOMEBODY in the fake comic universe should be able to put two and two together somewhere.
     
  10. Chad R

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    I remember an issue of 'Batman' comics (don't remember which) where there was a great bit where some guy tried to sell the Penguin, Joker and Riddler the TRUE identity of Batman. Eagerly they listened as he reasoned that to be Batman one would have to hae tons of money. Well, Bruce Wayne has tons of money, is a recluse so you rarely see him or know where he is, and he has a young boy living with him approximately Robin's age. The three supervillains just laughed, how could that playboy lush be Batman? He's a wimp and Batman's the ultimate badass. So they kill him.

    Peter is such a geek that it's almost impossible to believe he could be Spiderman. That's what works for him, and Clark and Bruce. It's not like he disappeared, these people see Peter every day still looking wimpy and geeky making it inconceivable that he's a superhero.

    And if you want some real world evidence, remember all of teh neighbors of serial killers who just never imagined that the friendly guy next door who walked his dog three times a day was mutilating people in his basement. People see what they want to see.
     
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    In the film Peter wanted to call himself "The Human Spider". It was the announcer (cameo'd by Bruce Campbell) who didn't like that nickname and came up with referring to Peter as "the amazing Spider-Man!"
     
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    I don't think the cafeteria scene would cause anyone to think of Spiderman. To me, I would have though Peter threw the tray at Flash and then got it stuck to some gum or his shoelaces. Most everyone just keyed on Flash at that moment and then the retreating tray. They couldn't tell it was webs from his hands.
     
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    I must be the only person I know who never sees plot holes. But then again, I'm never looking for them either. Makes the movie going experience much more enjoyable IMHO. But then again people want to see what they want as someone has already mentioned. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    It's just one of those things I guess. I thought of this stuff too, and they do make sense, or should I have said SPIDEY sense? [​IMG]

    I also kept thinking how Peter must have had tremeandous faith in MJ to allow her to partially pull his mask down to kiss him, I mean what was to stop her from just yanking it off all the way? [​IMG]
     
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    I have a question about this film myself. The part where Green Goblin has captured Spider-Man after gassing him, and then he takes him to some rooftop where he asks him to join him while Spider-Man is basically paralyzed. Well, why didn't Green Goblin just pull his mask off then or when he was passed out to find out his real identity? Doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    As opposed to smarter comic book movies like X2, Spider-Man was a 'leave your brains at the door' movie. There's nothing wrong with that, but good thing there are movies in the same genre that have slightly more respect for the audience. I like Spider-Man but I love X2.
     
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    After only seeing it on release I went back and saw Spidey about a week ago. I was unimpressed the first time last year.

    But I can now see why it made so much money. As good as X2 and other comic movies are Spidey absolutely hit the right tone in how seriously it should take itself. Plus it satisfied the costume dilemma perfect... a teen draws up a comic character! The perfect blend of movie and comic reality.

    Otherwise, the wrestling scene is already an old joke, any possible plot hole that points to this scene is a plot hole in my book.
     
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    yes, but who sewed the costume for him?
     

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