ENTERPRISE's "radical new direction"

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  1. Ken Chan

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    Link doesn't work for me. What did it say?
     
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    It feels just a little bit derivative of Crusade (B5 spin-off).
     
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    I think it all means: Blah Blah Blah... Jolene Blalock "will sport a new cat suit and hairdo next season." :b

    No fooling us! The whole plot was created to sex up T'Pol! [​IMG]

    This is Berman and Bragga we're talking about fellas.

    Dan
     
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    Yup, it's as I feared. Instead of ripping off their own previous work, they're now ripping off Space Battleship Yamato (starblazers)

    Don't belive me? Quick story summary:

    After Gamilon Planet bombs turn the surface of the Earth to a radioactive glaze(except in this case as a precursor to colonization), and radiation is slowly leaking down to our underground safe zones, an urgent message is recieved from the planet Iscandar that they have a device to cleanse the Earth of radiation, so the Yamato sets out to retrieve the device, and in the meantime dodge Gamilon patrols and other nasty things

    New Enterprise:

    A mysterious probe blasts the surface of the Earth in a pre-emptive strike and reduces half a hemisphere to dirt. They're going to attack again, and they send the Starship Enterprise on a journey to retrieve peace, and in the meantime dodge the Klingons who are pissed off at them

    Yay, let's hear it for the orignal thinking of B&B
     
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    Now, wait. You're saying Enterprise gets derivative? No!
     
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    No, that's never happened in Star Trek before. This, from Rick Berman. How encouraging.
     
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    Not waving, but drowning.
     
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    Im not a huge enterprise fan as all of the non arc shows arent that great. Even though i did enjoy this weeks episode. I will toon in for the borg episode. from stuff ive heared from the writer of the episode it fits in with everything thats happened in TNG and later first contact. As for the season finale and on. Its about time they changed the show around. It should have been done at the end of the first season. All the trouble the crew has been in , its surprising they have started a war yet. Even though the plot is a bit different they have said it wont be every single episode like DS9's war arc was.

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    Good god, they just won't let that "threat from the future" temporal cold war plot die...

     
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    On the same thoughts...

    Why they hell didn't they stick with the timeline and have this as the initial strike in the pivotal Earth-Romulan war?

    That would have kept a fair number of us happy, and given them the "conflict" they think is needed to save the series.

    Edited for heat of the moment spelling errors
     
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    don't you mean the Earth-Klingon war?
     
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    They are all innocent

    - - now where have I heard those words before? Oh, never mind, it was the news.

    If you get on the roller-coaster and go for a ride, you're stuck with whatever way it turns. At least it sounds better than getting stuck with the Borg (they can get tiring after ahile).

    I have a feeling that after the retrofit, Archer isn't going to let anyone stand in his way, and he's going to piss a lot of other races off - and I just love the way the Vulcans don't do crap to help us out. Oh, what if they made the whole thing up - just to screw the Earthlings over? Why can I see them doing that?

    Glenn
     
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    There was also a war with the Romulans, as stated in the first episode of TOS that has Romulans.

    When Berman first talked about the new direction, I said we should wait to see it first before we judge. But this is not looking good. Why concoct new enemies and wars when you could do so much with Klingons and Romulans and Vulcans, allowing for a more believable telling of the building of the Federation while preserving continuity?
     
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    Jeff, nope the Earth-Romlulan war. The devastation that resulted in the war was one of the reasons that Earth, Mars, the human colonies on Alpha Centari, as well as the Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians formed the Federation of Planets.

    Earth was nearly defeated in the war, having been pushed back to Pluto before managing to drive the Romulans off (never told how but I would suspect that the rushed building of Warp 5 capable NX class starships would be a good reason.) The entire war was fought at low warp and sublight speeds, and having high speed ships would likely give Earth a big advantage.
     
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    I too have seen the parallels between this and certain political leaders and decisions but have refrained from mentioning it. Skates too close to the politics no-no line IMHO.
     
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    I have to agree that it does sound like it was inspired by Starblazers/Yamato. I don't mind that at all as the source material is so good that it has a chance of influencing the serries in a good direction. [​IMG]

    Besides it is not like there isn't a long running history of Star Trek stealing from Yamato. One of my favorite Starblazers sites has an articulate description of the largest offenses:

     
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    I think this is laughable. If they want to go in a new direction and bring viewers back they are going to have to do more than change T'pols catsuit.
    Do they think 14 year old boys are all that watch Enterprise?
    So now they are going to play up the explosions with a war.
    Hmmm.
    What happend to the birth of the Federation?
    Why have we never heard of these aliens in past Treks?
    They are grabbing at straws.
    I just wish it would be over.
    Get Chris Carter or someof the writers to reinvent this mess.
     

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