Enterprise Episode - 1010.01

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  1. Lou Sytsma

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    Well last night's episode was the first clunker.
    Total waste of time and pointless as well.
    A Berman trademark episode if I ever saw one.
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    Does anyone else think this is a dramatic version of the TOS episode "Naked Time" and the TNG episode "Naked Now"? Maybe they should have titled it "Naked Past"
     
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    I'm with you Andrew. This episode felt totally like those "Naked" episodes from previous series. I thought it was going really well until I figured out that they were all just having dillusions. Would have been cooler if they actually discovered an alien life on the planet.
    And contrary to what others have said, I like the theme song. [​IMG]
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    I thought it was closer to This Side of Paradise, where the crew inhaled some mood-altering spores. Spock, in particular, was affected.
    This was the lesser episode so far, but still watchable. The campfire scene was great (and the scorpion in the sleeping back later on), the planet was beautiful, and I think the theme is shortened from the pilot!
    On the downside, I'd heard about the transporter accident for months, and it was sort of anticlimactic in practice.
    Anyway, next week's episode looks like a total goof on the '60s aspects of the original series. Especially that psychadelic wall. Hopefully will be fun.
    Sorry to say, but that Onion graphic is pretty weak. Try again, guys. [​IMG]
    [Edited last by Greg_S_H on October 11, 2001 at 04:50 PM]
     
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    I agree that this episode was the weakest so far, but that isn't saying much.
    TOS and TNG had some real dog days in the bulk of their 1st season, and even this episode was better acted and better shot than almost anything in the bulk of TNG's 1st season.
    The story was pretty vanilla Star Trek, but nothing to be turned off about.
     
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    Okay, I did chuckle while reading the Onion graphic. I might not agree but it is humorous [​IMG]
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    Would have been cooler if they actually discovered an alien life on the planet
    Well, actually..the plant that produced the spores. [​IMG]
    Mentioning the 'scorpion' in the backpack, didn't that look like the entity that was involved in one of the episodes of ST:TNG? I can't recall the name of the episode but it involved these skittering creatures who took over the head council of the Federation. They were making a path for them taking over; one scene involved Riker getting his butt handed to him by an old guy from the council (who had been infested with said parasite/bug). It really looked like that bug in the sack to me [​IMG]
    I'll back up the claim that TNG was rough around the edges its' first season. The characters were rigid and non-descript. Thankfully, it did improve.
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    I don't think this episode was pointless at all. It illustrated some of the deepest seated fears by humans of vulcans. It takes its time to demonstrate the early days of teleportation which wasn't always as clean cut as it was in TOS/TNG/etc. It's still scary technology. Plus, it'll become a precedent for handling the exploration of other earth-like planets. Remember, this series is all about the sense of discovery in space exploration, along with the forming of the respect that must be given to alien worlds and cultures. Everything that the Enterprise does will have lasting ramifications on the next set of exploration starships.
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    I thought this episode was a perfect third episode.
    It illistrates that they were kinda over-eager idiots: "Wow, a planet!" "There are protocols for this sort of thing. Takes seven days." "Bah. What could possibly go wrong?"
    It really plays up the tensions between your average human and your average vulcan; in vino veritas and all that.
    It illustrates the horror(!) that the average human rightly(!) feels about the transporter. That boy's going to have some psychologicial issues every time he sees or hears a transporter beam, and every time he gets a full-body tingly feeling....
    It didn't feel like a derivation of any older episodes; unlike the first few TNGs which literally took old scripts, did a find/replace on a few words, and called it an episode.
    Also, it establishes that the main characters can fuck up. Captain has troubles landing in winds, bounces the shuttle off of a cliff. Tucker refuses to follow orders. T'pol loses emotional control. Phlox gets overconfident in his own abilities and winds up almost losing a patient.
     
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    I also found it interesting that they are incorporating terminology that has been around since TOS. We now have the origins of M-Class Planet - the vulcan word "mecharik" (sp?) and when T'Pol is talking in vulcan to the ship I distinctly hear "phaser" which I presumed referred to the pistol that was aimed at her.
    It is definately going to take several episodes for Enterprise to get her space legs but overall I have been pretty happy with the new series.
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    >>On the downside, I'd heard about the transporter accident for months, and it was sort of anticlimactic in practice.
     
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    I thought the leaves were stuck into his skin from the wind, not the transporter.
    Anyway, I liked the episode. It continued to add more depth to the characters and increase our understanding of their attitudes towards cautionary exploration. I wonder what kind of "mess" the dog made on that planet and his influence on the ecosystem.
    Also, I liked the little added detail of Archer being a water polo player. Now we know he's a real man. (I played in high school by the way.) [​IMG]
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    The leaves were stuck into his skin because they were in the transport pattern buffer. It was "cool", but not as "cool" as the transporter accident in ST:TMP... [​IMG]
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    I think the accident would of gone over better if he had died. Heck, could of been the first "red shirt" death of the ST universe.
     
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    The episode was okay--a totally average story done in a way that maintains the viewer's interest. There's chemistry with this cast, and that will go as far as almost anything to assure the success of Enterprise.
    Once Brannon Braga learns to like Star Trek and appreciate its past, who knows?
    (Yesterday, I was looking at a 1996 issue of Science Fiction Age, which came out a month or two prior to the release of Star Trek: First Contact. I was amused to reread the interview with Braga wherein he discussed the origins of First Contact's story. He said something about "digging up" some "obscure" facts about the Trek backstory, and "came across" the character of Mr. Z. Cochrane and elected to write a script around said character.
    Of course, anyone familiar with TOS knows the character. Braga, of course, expressed contempt for TOS during TNG's heyday, butting heads in the process with Ron Moore.
    Imagine how good Enterprise could be with a Trek-cognizant executive staff over at Paramount. Whatever.
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    In reading a recent interview with Braga, he talks about how his rumpored "hatred" of TOS came about. He said that when he came on board TNG, Roddenberry told him not to watch TOS because he wanted someone to bring fresh ideas to the table, and while his ideas certainly don't seem as fresh now, they certainly were for Trek (think Cause and Effect, for instance). He goes on to say that since then, he's seen every episode of TOS several times and is a fan of it, going so far as to say that most of the TOS references you'll see on the show go back to him (ie, he fought to have Hoshi's earpiece and flip-open communicators). At least that's Braga's side of the story, and I think it should be heard.
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    I read that, too, Mark. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and take him at his word. Attention to TOS can only help Enterprise, and next week's episode looks to tap into some of the campier aspects of TOS. Plus, he mentioned that they are aware of the Romulan war and realize the Romulans are not seen by humans during the conflict, and that they are toying with the idea of "explaining" the physical differences between TOS Klingons and the current type of Klingon.
    BTW, was I imagining, or did the communicator have the familiar "clicking" tones from TOS when T'Pol contacted Archer (when Archer was at the pond)?
     

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