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Enterprise 11-13-2002

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Ron McBadger, Nov 14, 2002.

  1. Ron McBadger

    Ron McBadger Stunt Coordinator

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    Yuck...another bad episode...3 mins. in and my wife and I turned to each other and said..."use the transporter you FN dummies"

    I think it might be time for the Trek franchaise to see if they can hire the writers from Farscape.
     
  2. Jason Seaver

    Jason Seaver Lead Actor

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    As banal as it gets... From now on, I'm going to trektoday.com and checking the writing credits before the show comes on. If the bumble-Bs are listed, I'm elsewhere.
     
  3. Jack Briggs

    Jack Briggs Executive Producer

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    I worked on HTF last night, not caring what was on. Plan on tuning in Sunday evening.

    Another barometer of the show's sagging appeal can be seen right here on HTF. Normally, the thread discussing the week's episode would be nearing two pages by now.

    So Beavis and.... so B&B wrote this one as well?

    What, pray tell, happened in this exciting episode?
     
  4. Jason Seaver

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    They had story credit, though Andre Bourmais wrote the actual teleplay.

    Reed lost his communicator while he, Archer, and Hoshi were running around the surface of a pre-warp planet with prosthetic foreheads for no apparent reason. So, Reed and Archer go back down, get themselves captured, and probably (when all is said and done), start a war. Afterward, Archer is very sorry, but leaves the planet in the rear-view mirror.

    Meanwhile, hilarity ensues as Trip and Travis try and figure out the cloaking device on the Suliban ship they captured, but wind up making Trip's arm invisible (despite "cloaks" never being self-sustaining after the device is turned off before)!

    So, just why did they hire John Shiban, anyway? He's had one writing credit in the 13 episodes where that information is available for this season.

    (Although, I may have to make an exception to the no-B&B rule in a couple weeks. The idea of someone having an existential crisis after the first time they used the transporter is a good one, and Hoshi is my favorite character)
     
  5. BobV

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    Wow you guys are rough. I thought it was pretty good. MILES better than the last two episodes. Thought the pacing was good, the acting was fine, a bit of character development, good seasonal continuity, some chuckles, so good old fashioned Kirk-beat-'em-up-and-ask-questions-later action. Some shadows of the prethinking that slowly leads to the Prime Directive, without hitting you over the head with it. No nice and sweet wrap up at the end. Actions had consequence yet again. Archer screwed up in going back, he knows it.

    I like that everything doesn't work out perfectly on this show. I like that this show is 'realistic' in the fact that they don't always make the right decisions, just like the rest of us. Unlike TNG (which I love) where every episode seems to end with the universe being right again and us learning the, of course, again, the crew of the Enterprise did nothing wrong, and were yet again perfect in motive and action. There are a couple of episodic exceptions over the 7 years, but they were not the norm.
     
  6. Jason Seaver

    Jason Seaver Lead Actor

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    Actually, the episode does deserve some praise for using the entire cast in a relatively well-balanced manner (the guy who plays Mayweather must wonder why he bothers showing up sometimes). It's not as offensively stupid as "Marauders", but it does make big time use of The Idiot Plot.

    And we've just seen this so many times before. TOS's "A Piece Of The Action". TNG's "First Contact". That's just two. It's just more evidence of the pathetic lack of imagination possessed by the guys in charge of television's biggest science fiction franchise.
     
  7. Frank Anderson

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    Although I enjoyed the episode I will admit, as stated above, it's been done before. But that alone should not bring it down. It's not the first time an episode was borrowed from another script (or even another series all together).
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    I enjoyed the episode also. I think between Enterprise and the Simpsons some of you are expecting WAY to much out of your evening TV entertainment.
     
  9. Jason Seaver

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  10. Ron McBadger

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  11. Will_B

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    How few episodes ago was the one where they were prisoners in a jail run by Dean Stockwell? Less than a dozen? And they already retreaded it? Yikes.

    I wonder what alien jail they will end up in next week? Isn't it Hoshi's turn to be prisoner next week?
     
  12. Will_B

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    On the plus side, I like how they've replaced the matte paintings of alien worlds' cities with CGI models - and move the perspective just to prove it. It looks nice. Still fake, but nice.
     
  13. Andrew Beacom

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    Ordainary episode. I'm also wondering how many prisons that makes in 1.? seasons. There was that prison ep with the suliban people last year.

    A show that continually relies on stupid plot devices is insulting the audiences intelligence. Unfortunately most of the audience don't notice. I have a couple of ST people at work that I don't even discuss Enterprise with. They love it. No matter how bad it get's. And they don't even see when the *really* bad episodes happen because to them ST is never bad.

    That's B&Bs greatest crime. That ST has and will be taken from the position of goodness, even greatness, to permanent and perpetual mediocrety.
     
  14. Jack Briggs

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    Which makes Mr. Berman all the more a tragicomic figure, when one considers TNG's third season.

    Amazing.

    Once a standard has been established, is it too much to ask that it be maintained once in a while? If people are just going through the motions in the name of this franchise, new people should be hired. Wouldn't UPN/Paramount like to see better ratings?
     
  15. Dave Scarpa

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    I kinda liked the idea of this ep, but the execution was a bit off. I mean I'm glad that they are ignoring the transporters now. But how can the producers expect us to ignore the fact that they did use them alot when the series began. This whole ep would have been over if they just beamed the 2 of them onboard. They knew where they were. Also I was saying to my wife that this series is alot more Voyager than TOS, it seems everytime Archer and Malcolm get in a tuff spot they get real teary eyed and accept their fate. Kirk would've been fashioning a device to trick the guards would've pummeled the two guys with guns and flying drop kicked the rest of them, or he would've tricked an alien babe into letting them out by seducing her. Ah.. the glory days Kirk was da man, he never sat and whined.
     
  16. Andrew Beacom

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    Dave,

    Good point. Archer is a pussy. Dylan Hunt and Malcolm Reynolds, now those are captains of space ships.

    It's hard to decide if this is more like Voyager than TNG. Archer is certainly in the Picard/Janeway mould. I think the series needed someone less refined. Since the federation isn't refined yet. He didn't need to be a Kirk but more Kirk like than the moral high ground of the others.

    Voyager would have had a hope if Janeway had have been killed off and replaced with Chakotay.
     
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    Not bad at all, I thought. Reminded me of the TNG episode, where Riker gets caught and has to escape..

    Way better than the last two! I'm really cheering for this show as it has alot of potential. It'd be a shame if it got the rug pulled from under before it hit it's stride. There's bound to be a few bugs, even into the second season, but once those are ironed out..
     
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