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  1. Oscar_R

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    This is a popular item in many Home Theaters. It gives you the tactile feedback of bass w/o the high SPLs (and potential hearing damage). Smaller, less powerful units are available from other companies as well...
     
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    I hope to be able to provide an initial opinion next week. I've received my Buttkicker2 and am waiting for the amp, which is due Friday. I hope to have them installed and tweaked in time for movies before my SB party.

    It stands to be an awesome unit, the manufacturer claims it's good down to 5 Hz!

    Bear in mind that the 1000W amp most often recommended to go with it runs another $400.
     
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    I had never heard of such a thing before, learn something new every day.
     
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    I have been using tactile transducers in my system for a few years now. My first installation was an array of 8 RBH FX80 models. (ultra high performance Aura units)
    I eventually replaced the entire array with a pair of Clark Synthesis 329F units. I upgraded to a pair of Platinum models when they made their debut.
    I have been using a pair of the original Buttkckers for over a year now. I started out driving each unit with a Carvin DCM1000 bridged mono @ 1000w
    I now drive each BK unit with a Crown K2 bridged @ 2500w.
    The step up from the RBH array to the Clarks was a large performance improvement. The Clarks are exceptional units.
    The Buttkicker is king of all tactile transducers. When it comes to low frequency extension and output the Buttkicker dramatically excels. It has no peers. It is very tight and controled as well.
    This is a comment on the original Buttkicker. I have no experience with the Buttkicker II. They claim it is more efficient and produces greater output. Due to it's smaller mass and reduction in piston weight I can't see it competing with the original model in the very extreme lower frequencies.
    John
     
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    Oscar,
    The link in your original post shows a picture of the original Buttkicker model.
    It weighs around 20lbs and is much larger then the BK2. The BK2 is much can rest in the palm of your hand. It can be seen at www.thebuttkicker.com
    John
     
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    I've had a Clark Platinum transducer for about a year. It is great for action and sci-fi movies. You feel every explosion, body slam, dinosaur footstep, etc. Terminator II is a whole new experience. I turn it way down or off completely for music listening.

    It is bolted to a 2x4 I screwed to the bottom of my sofa. It runs on my LFE output from my reciever and it shakes pretty strongly down to around 35Hz. I think the sofa frame is too stiff for it to shake the sofa at very low frequencies. The padding damps out anything above 80Hz.

    A single platinum unit seems plenty strong for a sofa. I have a clipping light on my amp and it stays off.

    I'd like to hear more from John about the ButtKicker vs. the Clark. I know the Buttkicker has more power, but does the Clark have wider bandwidth? If you were buying again which would you get?
     
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    oh come on guys thats like buying imiation lobster meat,if things get any worse around here im going to have to secure the sofa to the floor.those two 46 plus keep pushing it around.
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    I'd like to emphasis again. My comments are on the original Buttkicker model. The Buttkicker 2's predecesor. I have no experience with the new version.
     
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    I'm with Gene on this one. Using these things is like those punks on the Fast and the Furious using Nitros to get those little cars to run 11 second quarter miles. If you want a fast car (or couch shaking) get some horsepower!![​IMG]
     
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    Where is ChrisA when you need em?
     
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    FYI: The director of Buttkicker R&D is here this week if you want to ask him any questions...
     
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    Well, I've got my Buttkicker2 installed. My first impression is that this is a very high quality item. This is no little whoopee cushion that buzzes underneath you. This baby (as I have it set now) moves the floor with the accuracy and authority of an excellent subwoofer, cranked. However, it does so without having to turn up the system to the insane levels that can damage hearing (with the highs) and dishes in the next room (with the lows) The effect is nicely localized. As I have it adjusted presently, it's somewhat subtle (to me, I don't think my guests will use that word to describe it) but unmistakable.

    I DO NOT like having the subwoofer turned up out of balance with the rest of the speakers, so there would be no separating this kind of rumble from oppressive volume without a TT.

    I believe John H's suspicions may be correct. I think that the greater mass of the original Buttkicker must be advantageous in delivering an even more powerful shake without reaching the the unit's excursion limits.

    I'll admit that I was actually expecting the effect to be a bit more profound when I ordered the BK2. I think I can account for some of that as I get the level dialed in and improve upon it's present placement. It would get more help from the subwoofer (SVS 20-39PC) if I didn't need to connect the sub via speaker level for SACD use.

    The verdict: I was able to add a new dimension to my HT, one that makes me grin and giggle like a kid, for under $1000. It's also the very best product I could find. What's not to love about that?

    If enough guests show up in time for movies and/or demos

    Sunday, I'll post the more interesting reactions here in a couple of days.
     
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