Enemy at the Gates w/out video = Star Trek Wrath of Kahn

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  1. Len Cheong

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    When I watch this flick, I can't help picturing the Star Trek movies where James Horner composed the soundtrack as well. It's so distracting that I can't enjoy watching Enemy at the Gates anymore... Too bad there's no alternate audio for the music.
     
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    Horner is NOTORIOUS for recycling his scores

    ST2 and Battle Beyond the Stars are virtually identical
     
  3. Jonathan

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    Take a listen to the opening tank battle in "Courage Under Fire." I kept waiting for an iceberg to pop up on the screen. He used the same piece of music for Titanic.
     
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    even worse than John Williams using Hook music in AOTC?
     
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    I think the closest thing to the star trek II score is the movie Krull.
     
  6. Sean Oneil

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    Maybe the directors ASK Horner for a score similar to what they have heard from him in the past?

    Maybe that is why they hire him to begin with?

    Perhaps they actually like his style? (even if it is the basically same score)

    Let's be fair, almost every composer/musician can be identified by listening, because most of their material sounds similar.
     
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    Often I think it has to do with the composer being hired at the absolute last minute. For example I saw Horner on Charlie Rose a few month ago and Rose asked him about the Aliens score. Horner explained that he was hired with only ten days to write the entire score, which is why he re-used so much from the ST:WOK score for it, there simply wasn't time to do another composition. Same thing with Hans Zimmer and MI:2, he had only two weeks to compose the entire thing, and ended up using compositions similar to several of his other scores.
    - Guy
     
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    When the "Titanic" score was up for the Oscar, a commentator for NPR's "Weekend Edition, Sunday" which runs a series every March on nominated scores said that Horner should have his own catagory: "Best adaptation of a previously written Horner score".
     
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    Speaking of "Aliens" which, oddly enough, I was JUST watching... James Horner also used elements of the Gayane Ballet Suite from 2001 for the main score.
     
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    I caught Wolfen on cable the other night. The similarites between that and Aliens are stunning, especially during the finale.
     
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    Yep, that's Horner all right... when watching Enemy At The Gates in a movie theater I was distracted by the cues from The Mask Of Zorro (heard when the secret mine in the latter film is being shown, I believe).
     
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    And he shamelessly recycled his Glory theme into the last scene of Braveheart.[​IMG]
     
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    How about Leonard Roseman, whose themes to the animated "Lord of the Rings" and "Star Trek IV" are all but identical with the exception of instrumentation of various passages.
    As far as James Horner goes, I've always wanted him to release an album called "Wrath of the Krull Aliens Beyond the Stars." [​IMG]
     
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    Did the same guy compose Gladiator and Black Hawk Down or is it just Ridley Scott who loves that middle eastern sounding wailing....oh its so damn annoying
     
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    To me, the sweeping high notes most notably at the beginning of Enemy at the Gates, is essentially right out of the Braveheart.
    Then, there are the four quick high bass notes. If anyone remembers the old computer game (Commodore 64 and others) Karateka, it's the exact same four notes in the same rhythm when an intense moment occurs in that game. I know, it's hard to pick up what I'm talking about unless you used to play Karateka. I just thought it was hilarious, the coincidence.
     

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