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Effects of incoming 8K format on current and future 4K content

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Dave Moritz, Sep 1, 2019.

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  1. Dave Moritz

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    With the acceleration of technology by hardware manufacturers pushing the lifespan of hardware to shorter and shorter lifespans. Will the push of 8K displays have a negative effect on 4K content? We are finally seeing more and more 4K displays being sold and the expansion of 4K content via streaming and disc format for home consumption. The last quarter of 2019 we will have films like Scareface, Wizard Of Oz, It's A Wonderful Life, The Abyss, Daniel Craig 007 collection and the Shinning coming to 4K blu-ray. Will studios pull back on 4K blu-ray releases because of the push of 8K displays? Did this factor in on the lack of a 80th Anniversary Gone With The Wind 4K release? As it is a large percentage of Americans do not have high speed internet or high enough bandwidth to stream HD and especially 4K content. So how will most people be able to stream 8K content which doesn't exist other than some videos on YouTube. And are there any disc formats in existence that can deliver 8K content to consumers homes? But the main concern is what effect the incoming 8K displays will have on 4K blu-rays or even possibly 4K streaming. I see this being more of a concern for 4K blu-ray than streaming as it is a matter of creating physical discs the studios fear may sit unpurchased. Currently there is no release information to my knowledge for the months of November and December of 2019.

    I can only speak for myself when I say that good solid 4K blu-rays will not be replaced by any 8K discs once they are made available. I would rather buy titles I currently do not own instead of continuously buying the same titles over and over again. I am not interested in 8K content at this time and in no rush to purchase an 8K display since I just got my Sony 4K OLED back on the 16th of January of 2019. Maybe in a few years I might consider an 8K display once there are reasonable prices for 100" displays and I have my HDMI board on my Marantz SR-8012 upgraded to 8K switching.
     
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    They're really putting the cart before the horse this time. I don't see the need or benefit to 8K, especially for home theatre. There's no current 8K content, no push in the film and television industry to move towards 8K, and next to no existing content that can even begin to take advantage of 8K - aside from real IMAX 15/70 and a few dozen 65mm productions. And even then, you'd probably need to see a direct comparison of 4K on an IMAX-sized screen to tell the difference.
     
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    We need more 8K porn !!!

    ;)
     
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    I mean, broadcast television hasn't even gone to 4K yet (took them quite a long time to get to high definition), so 8K just seems like overkill to me. The TVs will come, but I'm expecting most everything will be an upconversion to that standard.
     
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    4K content has been generally given a collective meh outside of the internet web forum bubblesphere so I can't imagine some other hot air gimmick format is going to help. In fact I expect both to fall into the sea at this rate.
     
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    I am guessing that 8k will become the default size for a new TV (just as 4K is now) but there may be little if any actual 8K content for home use.

    Perhaps streaming. The Blu-ray format would support it with more layers but would require new hardware.

    I am buying 4K for newly purchased content but am very seldom buying 4K Blu-ray disks of things I already have. I would buy many titles originated in 70mm but you can't buy what they won't sell.

    I try to avoid streaming in all forms and from all providers. I especially avoid CGI-based action films and most particularly superhero product.

    I do not know if the world is passing me by or if we are seeing the end of new good films. Probably both.
     
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    Why?
     
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    I didn't know there was 8K monitors or projectors. I still think yer bog standard Blu-ray looks fantastic. I suppose if you're some very rich swine with a 200 foot wide projection screen (on the roof of your penthouse), but not enough of them around to make it viable.

    Na, make more films available on Blu-ray.
     
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    I want a holodeck!

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    8K tv's are coming out and manufacturers have announced models but there are currently no 8K projectors coming out that I know of. They may have shown off one or two at CEDIA and they might show a demo at CES in Vegas coming up. But I love my Sony XBR55A9F 4K OLED and can not say I am in the market for a new tv anytime soon!

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    (Going offtopic).

    Just wondering.

    What are those giant speakers? Are they the type that would be used in a big guitar amplfier (such as a Marshall stack) ? Or are they actual real woofers which can go really low in frequency ?
     
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    They are commercial grade Concert venue/theater venue speakers! Altec Lancing Voice Of The Theater speakers and they do get some low frequencies and the 15" woofer are rated at 117db. There is another speaker made by Klipsch called a LaScala which is 105db effecient.
     
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    Did I miss an announcement for 4K The Abyss in the 4th quarter of this year?
     
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    8K displays & projector

    JVC DLA NX9 8K Projector (Not A Native 8K Projector)
    8K e-shift yields 8192 x 4320 projected image
    8K projector 1a.

    Displays - 8K
    8K tvs 1a.

    8K tvs 2a.
     
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    I missed that announcement (if there was one) as well. Still really want to pick up The Abyss and True Lies on 4K blu-ray, but I had heard that James Cameron won't sign off on upgraded versions until he has had time to review them. However, since he is currently so busy with the Avatar sequels, he just isn't in a place to be able to do so. In fact, I heard this week that he only "produced" the upcoming Terminator: Dark Fate from afar, with very little to no interaction with what was happening during on set filming.
     
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    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/the-4k-uhd-release-list

    One of my trips to 20th Century Fox I had heard about Cameron actually working on the Abyss restoration and True Lies may have been done right after or at the same time. While there is no current release date it still may happen in November or December. My next trip to Fox I will try and ask about The Abyss and True Lies 4K blu-ray release dates, that is if he can divulge that information.
     
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    Dave, I think you're getting worked up about nothing. 4K is already absurd for most home use, and 8K is just idiotic, to be honest. The biggest real world benefit to 4K is HDR, which has nothing to do with resolution. 8K is just marketing gone insane. An awful lot of digitally sourced 4K media is just upscaled from 2K to begin with, and 8K from film sources is completely absurd. Even 4K is.
     
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    8K’s intended audience at this point is more for professional applications - large screen monitors for workplace presentations, digital display boards, theme park applications, etc.

    There is zero content or benefit available to the consumer with 8K at present time.
     
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    Not sure where you feel I am getting worked up. The purpose of this thread is to talk about if the introduction of 8K displays will effect releases on 4K media or not? Currently I am not even thinking about a 8K tv, hell why would I with a beautiful Sony 4K OLED? So no not worked up at all, not even a little! But I am buying some digital content but the focus is some blu-ray with most of my purchases on 4K UHD Blu-ray. And I am happy with the 4K format and what it offers in the home environment.

    This may be so but not 100% because you can already purchase 8K consumer displays and a JVC e-shift 8K projector.

    I do however feel there is a great opportunity and need for 8K resolution and HDR/Dolby Vision commercial projectors for commercial theaters! With the screen sizes and the real dark rooms 8K should bring a higher quality picture even if they upconvert 4K DCP files.
     
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    I don’t think most movie theaters need anything like that. If IMAX is comfortable with 2K and 4K for the world’s largest screens, multiplexes will be fine with those too.

    Yes, there are 8K monitors and projector for sale that you or I could buy, but they’re not really meant for us or home use. Those 8K screens are better served as digital display boards, for instance - they’ve installed a bunch in my office complex in different waiting rooms and elevator banks and you can walk right up to one without noticing the pixels. That’s what those are best suited for right now.
     
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