EAC and Tagging .wav Files

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  1. PhilBoy

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    I am about do re-do my entire CD collection in .wav format using Exact Audio Copy (EAC) (mp3 hurts my ears [​IMG]) and I want to tag all tunes with full info (artist, song, genre etc.) and I am having a heck of a time getting the info to show in WMP9. It only shows song title.

    I use the freedb to retrieve the disc info, and it shows before ripping, but the .wav files do not seem to contain the information.

    Before I spend a long time doing this drill, I want to make sure that I don't have to do it again. Thoughts ?
     
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    As far as I can tell, tag info is lost when ripping CDs. (This is very frustrating to me, as I want to rip now and convert to MP3 later from the wav files.)

    The wav files, so far as I know, do not contain the "tag" or ID3 info. The file format does not allow for meta-data as with MP3 files.

    You can imbed the tag data in the directory and filename of the saved wav files. But even then, I'm not sure that WMP will utilize that for displaying song info. Nor do I think it can use the local freedb data base the EAC creates for song info.

    Actually, I have no idea what the purpose of EAC's local freedb data is for, as it doesn't use itself for displaying song info.

    My recommendation is to use a lossless compression format, such as the lossless WMA format that WMP supports. You will not lose any sound quality and tag info is preserved. The downsides are that you can't use EAC for this and the format may be specific to e.g. WMP.

    If there's a better way to do this, I'd like to know. I've found EAC and its ilk useless without the ability to post-encode MP3s with ID3 data.
     
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    Go with either FLAC or Monkey's Audio. This compresses the sound, yes, but it does it in a lossless format. There is no point in using a proprietary Microsoft lossless format when FLAC is wide open and is supported on many platforms and is thus more future-proof than a windows-only format. There is also WavPack; that one is also open source. Haven't used it much, but used the other two (personally I prefer FLAC.)

    You save maybe 50% of your storage space and see no reduction in sound quality. Thus, no-brainer. Ripping to WAV gives several disadvantages by comparison - much larger files and no tags being two.

    FLAC is an open source codec http://flac.sourceforge.net/ and Monkey's Audio is free but has a more restrictive license http://www.monkeysaudio.com/

    Both can do tagging - Monkeys has its own format and FLAC uses the same as OGG Vorbis does. FLAC is available for more platforms though, I think. I'd personally go with FLAC over APE, but either is better than WAV.

    How-tos:

    http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index...._Monkeys_Audio

    http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac14.htm

    http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/EAC/index.html
     
  4. PhilBoy

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    So there is no way to tag .wav ?

    I even tried Creative Playcentre [​IMG] and it won't tag either...
     
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    I think iTunes will "memorize" the tags you set your WAV files at, but AFAIK .wav never supported tagging.
     
  6. Kimmo Jaskari

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    As DaveF said, WAV files have no support for embedding metadata the way FLAC, APE etc do. Writing extra info to a wav would just destroy the wav, most likely.

    However, since you can compress a file to FLAC and then decompress it later to a bit-perfect WAV, there really is no reason whatsoever to avoid a lossless compression format.

    Whenever you play a FLAC, the sound coming from the speakers is exactly what would come out if you were playing the WAV the FLAC was made from. The only difference is that the player (your computer or a squeezebox or whatever) will have to use slightly more CPU power to decompress the sound as it plays.
     

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