DVDs + Microsoft = them spying on you

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  1. Mark Walker

    Mark Walker Cinematographer

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    I just noticed a blurb over at
    dvdreview.com that MicroSoft admitted
    that they are snooping on what
    DVDs you are watching on your computer.
    Here is the story, or you can click the link:
    http://www.dvdreview.com/html/news.html
    Microsoft admits to DVD snooping
    February 25, 2002
    Microsoft has admitted that its most recent DVD player Media Player 8.0 which is integrated in its Windows XP operating system is tracking the CD and DVD usage of its users. The company has also admitted that its player software tracks DVD content.
    While Microsoft is downplaying the issue claiming the tracking features are to enhance user navigation and can be disabled, the Electronic Privacy Information Center is raising concerns that the level of profiling done by the software giant may be dangerous and raises several political issues. EPIC counsel Chris Hoofnagle claims "This will be the first of many realizations that software is being written so it can log content consumption," he said. "We're just coming on the brink of this.".
    Currently Microsoft claims that it does not track personally identifiable information and that its tracking will not be sold or used for direct marketing...
    Yeah, Like I am going to believe them!
    Not happy,
    Mark
     
  2. Jack Briggs

    Jack Briggs Executive Producer

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    These may be trite cliches, but here we go: it's Orwellian, it's Big Bro', it's invasive ...
     
  3. LukeB

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    I didn't even know you could use Windows Media Player to play DVDs. Why would you?
     
  4. Michael St. Clair

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    Tivo does the same thing, but it's more Politically Correct to bash Microsoft than Tivo, so there will be a bigger to-do about this.
     
  5. Mark Walker

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    TiVo is supposed to note what you record,
    so it can make suggestions from future
    programs of a similiar nature. This is
    a selling point on TiVo, and everyone
    knows about it.
    TiVo is promoted with this feature.
    MicroSoft did not tell people there were doing this,
    nor is there any apparent benefit to the user.
    Mark
     
  6. Ricardo C

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    Why does Bill need to know such things? Is he preparing a database on us for when he finally takes over the world? :p
     
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    Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated.
     
  8. Patrick Larkin

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    it amazes me that people still continue to use windows. [​IMG]
     
  9. Benson R

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    I'm not a microsoft apologist but I would like to add that I read about this a few days ago on ZDNET. Microsoft admitted when you play a dvd in media player windows contacts a microsoft server to get title and chapter info. They admitted that if ms wanted they could view this information but they do not. The point of the article was how everyone can not wait to bash microsoft even when there isn't even an accusation of any wrongdoing. Again I am not a microsoft apologist but I do find it odd that this non story turned into microsoft spying on your dvd usage.
     
  10. Ricardo C

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    Considering users weren't warned beforehand, why should we believe they don't look at the compiled data?
    And this is coming from someone who IS a Microsoft apologist, so there [​IMG]
     
  11. Benson R

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    I think what was lost in the articles about this was at least according to microsoft the purpose of the online database was to display the title of the dvd being played. I don't think this is any different then previous versions of media player that contacted the cddb database to download song titles when playing an audio cd.
     
  12. Eric Alderson

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    I don't see this as a big deal. They don't know the users by name but they know someone could be watching "Full Metal Jacket" or "Girls Gone Wild". When you walk into a Blockbuster Video and rent something, I'm sure they "survey" what people are watching.
     
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    Yeah, uh huh, Bill Gates has nothing better to do than track the DVDs I watch on my PC? Jesus, get a grip. How does the song go? "Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep...."
     
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    Excerpt from an email transcript: (removed the email addresses)
    > From: "Rich Lappenbusch"
    > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:39:00 -0800
    > To: "Dave Farber"
    > Subject: RE: surprised re lack of stir re Microsoft Admits XPMedia Player
    > Spies on Users
    >
    > Hey Dave,
    >
    >
    >
    > I realize many of your readers have seen articles and postings in the last
    > few days which question the functionality of DVD Playback in Windows Media
    > Player for Windows XP and I feel compelled to respond. Now that we¹ve had
    > a
    > chance to do our internal analysis, I wanted to provide the summary and
    > details to clear up any confusion and reassure your readers that under no
    > circumstances is any personally identifying information ever transferred
    > to
    > Microsoft as a result of DVD playback in XP.
    >
    >
    >
    > We have documented the process by which customers receive DVD media
    > information (³metadata²) in a Microsoft Product Support Services article
    > at
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q318671. The same
    > article details the steps customers can take if they wish to prevent DVD
    > metadata from being saved on their computer, or to remove any DVD metadata
    > that is stored on their computer. Please note that the DVD metadata is
    > stored in a private file on your computer, and is a proprietary binary
    > file
    > that cannot ordinarily be read by other programs. Under no circumstances
    > is
    > the DVD metadata in the media library transmitted to Microsoft.
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul Thurrott, News Editor for Windows & .NET Magazine, discusses the DVD
    > metadata process in detail at
    > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles...rticleID=24202 and concludes
    > ³In short, MPXP includes a feature that does exactly what most users want,
    > and it doesn't violate their privacy or security in any way.²
    >
    > We take people's concerns about protecting personal privacy very
    > seriously.
    > And we also recognize that no product is perfect. We are always looking
    > for
    > better ways to ensure the privacy and security of our customers. I hope
    > this will help clear up any confusion.
    >
    >
    >
    > regards,
    > rich
    >
    > Rich Lappenbusch
    >
    > Microsoft
     
  15. Dave F

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    My god, the extent of extrapolation is incredible. There is a helluva big difference between logging information on your own PC and snooping. If you are going to allege snooping and spying, you better have hard data to back it up.

    -Dave
     
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