DVD-A/SACD: Does J6P care?

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  1. ReggieW

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    A few days ago, I had a person tell me that he would never buy a CD changer of any kind because MP3's have pretty much eliminated the need for one since they are able to carry hours of music (very compressed of course) without leaving your seat. I looked at him with dismay, and said do you really listen to MP3's at home for casual enjoyment? I can see using them to test the waters for a new sonf or album you might want to sample before buying, or listening with a walkman if you're jogging or something, but at home, I would rather have the CD, SACD, or DVD-A. keep in mind that this person wasn't experimenting to see what he likes, he actually doesn't buy much music (afterall, MP3's sound fine to him). However, in all fairness, I don't think he has a multi-channel/HT set-up, so maybe this is fine for him - for now. I find more and more people who simply are not interested in the quality of the music they're listening to. Yes, MP3 technology is improving, but it is still pretty sub-par when compared to redbook CD. I just couldn't imagine someone being entirely happy with a MP3 download of Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue." I guess the gist of what I'm saying is....if this guy (and many MANY like him) is happy with lossy MP3 downloads, then why should he care about SACD/DVD-A or even redbook CD! Personally, I have been listening to nothing but hi-res music and remastered CD's the past few months, and couldn't imagine going back to listening to MP3's.[​IMG]
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  2. JohnnyN

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    I've just recently started buying CDs again. For a while there I was very heavy into electronic dance music heavy on samples and synth sounds, where the quality of the recording honestly didn't matter that much to me. I guess to me it sort of depends on the availability and the quality of the original.

    Some mixes that I download are from live performances that were recorded to dat or minidisc and can't be bought, here my choice is obvious. I do definitely agree with you though, that there's a fairly significant difference between 128kbps 16/44 mp3s and 96/24 music, but at the same time keep in mind that another benefit of mp3s is organization. It's a lot easier to put just the songs you want on one cd, then it is to program a changer to play only the songs you want to hear.

    my $0.02.
     
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    Joe 6-Pack doesn't even know what SACD & DVD-A are....
     
  5. ReggieW

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I agree with you Johnny. It was just that whole "you don't know what you're missing factor" I had towards this person when he told me this. In fact, he had never heard hi-res music before (including DTD CD's). I think in certain instances MP3's are fine, but for casual home listening? Never!

    Keith and Rachael:

    No argument here! I remember going into my local Best Buy asking for DVD-A, in which the clerk preceded to take me to the DVD concert video section!!! He had no idea what I was talking about. I guess this is one of many of the arguments being throttled at high-res music...If J6P is happy with MP3's for all-around listening, why would he care about DVD-A? It's really kinda sad.

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    Actually, all the BB around here keep their DVD-A with the DVD concerts, so he did take you to the right place [​IMG]
     
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    I was showing my mother my new DVD-A player and tried to introduce her to it. As I started to give her a brief decription of what DVD-A is she said "So It's just like a CD".

    She is a J6P as they come. i feel that DVD-A and SACD will be something like the Laserdisc of the Audio formats. Why pay extra money for bette quality?

    By the way I love my DVD-A player. I just got ELP'S DVD-A and My GOD can I tell you how much I love Tocatta.
     
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    The mass market is moving to lower quality with MP3, while the enthusiast market is moving to higher quality with SACD and DVD-A.

    The comparison of hi-res to Laserdisc is spot on, I think. MP3 is the VHS of today.

    The one wild card is how badly the labels want to kill redbook and move to something more inherently secure. That is more likely trigger the move to hi-res than mass market interest, which seems pretty low right now.

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    The ONLY two ways DVD-a and SACD will ever take off are :
    1) Make dvd-a and sacd head units for cars. This is a no brainer.
    2) ALL B&M's NEED to have proper displays for demos of dvd-a and sacd. Has anyone seen dvd-a or sacd actually demoed in a Wal Mart? Target? Best Buy? Circuit City? Probably not. And if they have, what are the chances that the relative channel levels were balanced? The system was set up properly? How many of these places have salespeople interesed and knowledgable about dvd-a and sacd?
    Also consider this - location of software...what good does it do to have a SACD display buried in the back of a store in a corner where virtually no one wanders. Maybe the only people that even handle the display are employees (to clean) [​IMG] and the niche market that comes from audiophiles and people more in the know.
    In addition, why isn't that SACD display playing music? Some places mix their SACD's in with the regular cd's. What sense does this make? How many people will actually read the fine print that says "Designed for use in an SACD player only." What happens when Joe Smith buys it, gets it home and scratches his headcause it wont play on his cd player.
    As much as I hate Tower records, they might be the only ones actually trying to do things right. Most Tower records stores' have a dedicated section for both dvd-a and sacd. It's never hidden, easily found and actually has some decent signage. Its too bad they don't have a demo system to go along with the display. Even CD World's in NJ have seperate sections for dvd-a and sacd.
    Maybe what I've said in #2 could all be summed up in one sentence...Music companies and retail stores need to work together in order to properly MARKET this new technology.
    In the end it really does come down to marketing.
    Eric.
     
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    Weren't we asking the same questions about 5 years ago regarding DVD's in general .vs. VHS?

    I think J6P traditionally buys technology that has been around for a long time that is "cheap" and offers great advancement in quality without having to upgrade other pieces of equipment.

    I think Philip is right on here because look at what has happened now that all of the J6P's in the world have DVD players. We should count our blessings and hope that J6P never gets involved here because we are talking about excellent quality recordings played through mid to hi end equipment. How good would DVD-A/SACD sound played through J6P's $99 AV receiver and $200 Bose bookshelf speakers when compared to an MP3 played on a basic CD player?

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    I haven't bought into SACD or DVD-A yet, but I'm champing at the bit to do so. However, I don't think I'll buy into it until I can get a good quality hybrid player at a decent price. (Has Pioneer announced their combo player yet? I don't plan on buying Apex.) There are enough positives for each format for each of them to exist as a niche.

    Even if you told me today that both would only achieve the level of market reach that laserdisc did, I would still want to buy into it. I couldn't care less about what the general public wants. As long as studios continue to release new, quality titles in either format, and I can get them on the 'net or at a large B&M store, that's fine with me.

     
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    Perhaps my comment was incorrectly worded but what I was trying to say was that we are asking what J6P thinks of a fairly new format and the answer is "Absolutely nothing". There is probably not a single J6P on the planet that even has a DVD-A/SACD player or who has A/B'd one to a CD player and I'll bet the same statement would have held true for DVD players in 1997.
     
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    FYI only,

    There is a DVD-Audio Player for the Car!
     
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    Wow! I don't think I've ever started a thread with this many responses....makes a guy feel wanted around here for a change[​IMG]
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