Dual SVS CS+ _Am I going to kick myself_ D I really need dual SVS+ subs?

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  1. Brian Bowles

    Brian Bowles Second Unit

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    Am I going to kick myself? I had a CS 20-39 and a s700 combo. I sold that and I ordered a CS 20-39+ and a s1000. I talked my wife into this because it is only $100 more than the previous combo. Now I was thinking........ Darn for only $250 more I could have two 20-39+ subs because then I would qualify for the 20% off discount. Do I really need this? My room is 20x18 with 12 foot ceilings. One side of the room opens up to the dining room and the other side opens up the the kitchen. Thanks for you opinion.
     
  2. Shawn Sefranek

    Shawn Sefranek Second Unit

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    DO IT !!!

    My room is only 12 x 14 with a LOW basement ceiling with one small side room for a total of 1,600 Cu Ft.

    I have DUAL 20-39+’s with the S1000 coming next week.

    Previous Subs were (2) 20-39’s with (2) Parasound Mono Amps.

    Just think, if you decide to add it later it will cost 599.

    I think they extend the “package” discount if you add a second later, but 20% upgrade won’t apply.

    Shawn S
     
  3. gene avallon

    gene avallon Stunt Coordinator

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    shawn

    my room is the same size as yours,I have two 46plus comming.just wondering where you placed your subs.

    thanks

    gene
     
  4. Troy_K

    Troy_K Stunt Coordinator

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    Gene/Shawn,

    That sounds like an aweful lot of sub, for such a small room. I've had Tom calculate some dbs for me in my 4000 square foot room, and we were at 100 db at 20 hz with the CS+ give or take a few db.

    Did you feel your old combo was weak in any respect?

    Troy
     
  5. Brian Bowles

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    It is my understanding that one CS+ is like 2 of the regular CS models. I guess I would be fine. My wife is about to go psycho on me! I started with a velodonyne (took that back)and then the SVS/s700 (sold that) and now this one. She says and now you want another!!!!!!!!! Maybe I do not need another one. I really do not know. It just seemed like a good idea at the time. Maybe I need to come back to my senses.
     
  6. gene avallon

    gene avallon Stunt Coordinator

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    troy

    the old combo was two 10 JVC junk.I didnt want to take any chances and its a good deal.and I guess ill have the bass if I need it,also I never listen to music. also I dont have much hearing in my left ear,so I gotta go for the feel.

    im slowly upgrading I have the 950 on order,waiting to see there ne amp.have a JVC receiver now.

    gene
     
  7. KevinHunt

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    Brian, your room itself is 4300 cub. ft. With the openings into other rooms(not sure of their size) your obviously tacking on more cub. ft. Another CS+ would only serve to help fill up that space. It certainly won't be excessive. I'm not saying you need it though. One CS+ may be fine and you won't know that for sure until you've had a chance to find the right spot and calibrate it, then listen to some source material. Listen, we all know how some gorlfriends/wives can be about this hobby of ours and all our dang equipment. If she is just poking at you in good fun, giving you a hard time, then don't sweat it. If this starts a genuine argument, put the second sub on the back burner. From my experience it ain't worth it. Add to that, the women are actually right most of the time. We do have a disease and a serious problem when it comes to all this cool sh**. We admit it to ourselves from time to time, but in their eyes it's utterly ridiculous. [​IMG]
     
  8. Shawn Sefranek

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  9. Steve Zimmerman

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    My $0.02. The total cu-ft size of my room is similar to yours, Brian. My CS Ultra with S1000 amp gets to about 105 dB before the CLIP light on the amplifier starts to flicker. I don't think the sub is in danger of bottoming out because (unless I read the documentation wrong) the Ultra can take 500 Watts continuous and up to 1000 Watts peak power.

    I used to think 105 dB was way more than I would ever push, but it's not hard to get that loud at all during some scenes in Phantom Menace especially when showing off the HT to friends.

    My vote? Go for the twins. That way you'll remove all doubt.

    --Steve
     
  10. Michael Mohrmann

    Michael Mohrmann Screenwriter

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    "It is my understanding that one CS+ is like 2 of the regular CS models."

    Okay, I am confused. I thought that the CS-Ultra was the equivalent of two 20-39CS's. Are you saying that the 20-39CS+ is nearly the equal of the CS-Ultra?

    Michael
     
  11. Shawn Sefranek

    Shawn Sefranek Second Unit

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    According to the SVS Website:

     
  12. Michael Mohrmann

    Michael Mohrmann Screenwriter

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    "We managed to gain 80% of our stunning CS-Ultra's performance advantage... but only added 30% of the CS-Ultra's cost premium"

    Well, that seems more like it. Given that the CS-Ultra is equivalent to two 20-39CS's, that would make the 20-39CS+ equivalent to one and one-half 20-39CS's, which is still pretty impressive.

    Michael
     
  13. Steve Stogel

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    Actually, Michael, if I remember right, when they introduced the Ultras, they said that one was equal to about two CS subs, but in parenthesis they put "up 7.5dB at 20Hz" (I think that's what it was, anyway). Well, double would be 6dB up. Take 80% of 7.5 and, voila, there's your 6dB, and exactly double of the CS. Here's the equation, I think:
    CS = X
    CS+ = 2X (or two CS subs)
    Ultra = 2.25X (or 2-1/4 CS subs)
    SS = ????? (maybe 2 Ultras, which would be 4-1/2 CS subs [​IMG]!!!)
    Feel free to correct my math anyone (especially the SVS folks...Tom, Ron) if I have mispoken.
    Steve
     
  14. Brian Bowles

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    I originally had a regular CS. Tom or Ron (I forgot) said if I added a CS+ it would be like having three CS subs. That is what made me think that.
     
  15. Tom Vodhanel

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    Part of the problem we have when trying to *rate* SVs against one another is the testing method I use might not match up perfectly with a different method. So if I measure 7.5dB more output with my method(2m groundplane,sinewaves,10% thd limit)...someone else might measure more or less difference using another method.

    The CS+ offers most of the performance upgrades over theCS that the CS_Ultra does. But head to head..the Ultra still outguns the CS+. There's probably some sort of testing method somewhere that might have the CS outgunning both...but I can't think of the circumstances that would allow this right now.(but I'm sure it's possible).

    TV
     
  16. Brian Bowles

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    Well my wife is talking about this now. I am still working on her for a second one. She is talking about it nicely now. I am volunteering myself for work around the house. I even paper clipped money on the artificial tree to show her money does grow on trees. I will have to wait and see. $300 more now is a lot better than $599 later.
     

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