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Don't Qualify for VA Benefits, Ouch!

Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Johnny Angell, Aug 22, 2006.

  1. Johnny Angell

    Johnny Angell Played With Dinosaurs Member

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    I'm an active duty vet from 68-71 and thought I'd call the local VA hospital to see if I'm eligible for medical care. I'm not, because last year our (note our) income was greater than $32K. We also wouldn't qualify if our income and assets totaled more than $80K.

    They asked a few questions like am I disabled or do I have a purple heart (no to both).

    Basically, if you weren't wounded or disabled and make a couple bucks above the poverty level, you won't be eligible.
     
  2. Jeff Gatie

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    Been this way for a long time. My dad was on a combat ship (experimental gunnery ship that qualified for combat pay) during the Korean War and he only qualified for VA benefits because he was disabled (knee injury). He also lucked out in that he received the WWII GI Bill because of his days "in combat" (essentially every day at sea on the experimental gunnery ship).

    So AFAIK, the "Purple Heart or DAV" status has been around a long time, at least since 1950.
     
  3. Chris Lockwood

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    I worked at the VA for a few years, and the running joke was that all the security there was to protect us from the vets when they found out how poor their benefits were.

    (I'm not saying I think it's funny, just that this is pretty well-known.)
     
  4. Johnny Angell

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    I can't say I'm surprised. Just appalled. I still remember the recruiter telling me about free medical for life[​IMG]
     
  5. Adam Lenhardt

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    As long as you stay poor enough!
     
  6. Malcolm R

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    Yep, my father discovered this a few years ago.

    For years, he'd never cared much about health insurance since he figured if he ever got really sick, he could just go to the VA Hospital and they'd take care of everything. Boy was he surprised when he actually checked into it.
     
  7. Justin Lane

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    I agree with the VA's policy for serving veterns to an extent. If every soldier received free healthcare for life the costs would be out of this world to our local tax payers. I think there are different rules if one retires from the service after 20 years.

    When people become older, Medicare kicks in to provide benefits. It does suck for those people stuch between serving and retirement age, without any benefits through their job. However, the service is a job which results in one being sent off to war on occassion. Many people join to better their standing in life either through education or the skills learned within (a choice since the draft days have ended...for now).

    J
     
  8. aaron campbell

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    It's sad that we pay for all the illegals that come here, but can't take care of those that defended our country.

    Semper Fi
     
  9. dany

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    Bingo. We{it is our money}take care of everybody around the world except for our own. I was watching something that was saying someone and i cant remember who that we should shutdown on new immag. coming to the US for 5 years to let us settledown and adjust and he was now the devil for saying that. I think its a pretty darn good idea.
     
  10. Marko Berg

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    The turn this thread took has the possibility of the discussion getting political, but my comment comes from the viewpoint of economy rather than politics.

    I would think illegal immigration rather than immigration, period, is a problem. The US and many other countries need experts because a domestically trained person isn't always available to fill a position. Many companies, especially in the technology business, would face severe problems if legal immigration was simply stopped altogether. This would result in retaliatory measures elsewhere, and the world economy would be in trouble.
     
  11. dany

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    So the world depends on us to let everybody in?
     
  12. Holadem

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    It's been estimated that my migration to the US has reduced VA benefits by $1.12, decreased the standard of living by 0.0034% and increased crime by 0.0087% as well as reducing english language usage by 0.0041%. 0.0093 Red Blooded Americans are unemployed because of the job I stole. My sincerest apologies, I will presently let myself out.

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  13. aaron campbell

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    Holadem, Are you an ILLEGAL alien, or a legal immigrant? Apples and oranges.
     
  14. Jeff Gatie

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    Naw, H. We like you, please stay. Besides, you know more about American history than most Americans here.

    P.S. We will bill you for the $1.12, though. [​IMG]
     
  15. Parker Clack

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    Personally I am not a vet. I was lucky enough not to have to go into the military. I honestly think it is a huge disservice to the men and women that have served and defended this country that we (as a people) do not insist that our Vets are taking care of. A vet is a vet is a vet. No matter their economic or health care status.

    It should

    1) Be a Court Martial offense to tell anyone enlisting in the armed forces that they will have medical care for life and then deny them that.

    2) It should be as with any other type of discrimination to disallow a vet health care at a veterans hospital because of economic status or any other reason. They have earned it.
     
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    My point was that the US economy, as well as the economies of the rest of the developed world, increasingly rely on a skilled, well-trained workforce since basic production and much work that requires little training or few specialist skills can be outsourced to countries such as India and China.

    See what Bill Gates had to say to the US Government last year.

    The issue is not legal immigrants who want to work and live in the US; in fact, that is desirable when there aren't enough trained specialists to fill the needs of, say, a hi-tech software development company. Individual immigrants who work pay taxes, their employer pays taxes, and if the person fillls a position the employer were unable to fill without legal immigration (because they were unable to hire a person with the necessary qualifications) then what's the problem?
     
  17. Johnny Angell

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    As for item one, I would be unable to prove I was told that, but remember, recruiters are sales people.

    As for eligibility, I would not for a second compare myself to a vet who served in VN or any combat, since I did not. In 68-71 I was in Thailand and Germany. Those who served in combat or combat zones should be served first. Those with service related disabilities should be at the top of the list.

    As a side note, I did receive combat pay during 2 months of my service. When we were flown into and out of Bangkok on chartered civilian passenger planes, because we flew over VN, we were entitled to combat pay for that month. I believe it was $60. I've been in more danger in a taxicab in NY city.
     
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    And what happens to the US being flooded{10 to 15 million}with illegal unskilled labor?
     
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    In the days before the Chinese Exclusion Act (one of the contributory causes of the war with Japan), great numbers of people from all over the world, many of them what you would call "unskilled", "flooded" into the United States. Almost noone was prevented from entering the country if he wasn't dying of the Black Plague, and once someone was in there were no restrictions to prevent him supporting himself. What you might not expect is that they also flooded out again, returning to their home countries a season, a year, five, ten, or twenty years later. Nowadays, the "illegal immigrant", typically from southern Mexico where the indigenous peasantry are being forced off the land by economic changes, does not dare return home to his own country, at least on a seasonal basis as he used to, because he cannot get paying work at home and he might be picked up crossing the border. Nobody likes abandoning his own home, particularly the illiterate agriculturalist who feels a strong connection to the land, but if it is a choice between that or having one's children starve or die of dystentery, he will go. From the perspective of natural and international law, it is a fundamental human right to go from one place to another, and to support oneself when one arrives there. The British Empire had virtually no restrictions for a long time — when my grandfather went around the world as cabin boy on a tramp freighter about 1930, he couldn't get off the ship in Rio de Janiero because he had no passport, but he could in Cape Town. What we need to ask ourselves is why there are such large numbers of rootless limbo-dwellers in the US today. The population of Mexico is about 120 million, and it's estimated that 12 million Mexican citizens are present in the US every day. If this situation, ten percent of the population of one country semi-permanently displaced into another, with no residency rights or anything else, were to occur with virtually any other pair of countries, it would be regarded as a disaster, or a war. Most people on both sides of the Rio Grande seem to regard this as "business as usual". I would suggest that it is a combination of factors. First is the American demand for unskilled labour, fed by the unwillingness of our businessmen to invest in capital equipment and pay for high-wage labour, which actually costs less money in total for a given volume of production, but cannot be taken on and dumped off as easily as armies of stateless, unprotected transients. Notice that most of these fellows are employed as menial labour in the construction trades, which have steadfastly resisted adopting new building methods even as the old ones have become ever less viable, or as cooks or cleaners, or in other similarly conservative sectors which have variable demand. Second is Mexico's place as a resource-exporting economy. True to their Spanish heritage, the property-owning class in Mexico prefers not to make an efficient, modern country out of their nation, and despises productive enterprise as beneath them. They think of the peasantry as being stupid and slothful, which is clearly wrong considering the ingenuity and enterprise they show in getting to and working in the US. They want and expect to have masses of dependents and servants, which they cannot have if the people become wealthy at home. The propertied classes in the United States serve as their "enablers", because they have found this state of affairs convenient for fifty years and more. What are the largest sources of revenue in the Mexican economy? Petroleum exports, remittances from workers in el Norte which we may term "labour exports", and the drugs trade.
     
  20. Chu Gai

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    Yes, those irregular migrants are a pesky lot. It's also nice to have additional gangs and child molesters also enter the country. Don't forget another reason why politicians have turned into the feckless lot they are is they represent a potential political base and their fear of alienating members. In their strong desires to be proud Republicans and Democrats, they've forgotten to be proud Americans and have failed to secure our borders. Rather treasonous actions IMO.
     

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