Don't buy dvd's on Ebay without checking the feedback first!

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  1. NathanP

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    Alot of you guys may know this but I'll warn people..
    Also, this is not meant to offend our Asian friends [​IMG]
    I was reading a thing in this months issue of Home Theater Magazine on how it's so easy to duplicate DVD's in Asia..
    Well, I was thinking " Boy, people in Asia are sure selling dvd's for dirt cheap on ebay.."
    So I decided to look at feedback for major Asian dvd sellers on Ebay, nearly all sellers based in Asia have MUCHO negative feedback for selling "Duplicates", "Not Original", "Terrible Quality" dvd's on Ebay..
    Well, that hit the nail on the head. Make sure you always read feedback before buying!
    And check this months issue of HTM!
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  2. James Nguyen

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    First off, I must say I'm feeling quite indignant by your post. It makes the assumption that any Asia based DVD sale is a bootleg or illegal in some form or fashion. I know your intent is not to offend, but your wording still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
    Secondly though, I do agree with you to *some* extent. On any EBay auction, it's basically caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. Regardless if you're buying a DVD from someone in HK, Oklahoma, or Mars, if they have a history of negative feedback, well, don't buy from them! Do your homework. If someone's claiming to be selling a DD 5.1/DTS anamorphic Region 0 release of Indiana Jones, well, shit, you SHOULD realize that something's not kosher there.
    That said however, I've bought plenty of quality, legit DVDs from EBay auctions based in Japan, HK, Singapore, and Korea. Your comments grossly generalize and misrepresent the quality that some sellers provide to fans of Asian cinema like myself.
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    Sure, it is known that some parts of Asia are swimming in bootlegs and illegal VCD to DVD transfers. But your statements simply discount the fact that there are tons of legit and excellent quality releases coming from Asia now that rival (and surpass) the quality of releases from the major Hollywood studios.
    [Edited last by James Nguyen on October 18, 2001 at 09:41 AM]
     
  3. Moe Maishlish

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    Moderator,
    Could you please change the topic of this thread to something more appropriate?
    Regards,
    Moe.
     
  4. Tom Brennan

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    Ditto on the above two posts. Such generalizations are not appreciated.
    Dave
     
  6. Todd Hostettler

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    I second that. Calling it "offensive" would be an understatement.
    That said, never buy a used CD from the Flemish.
     
  7. Jonathan Perregaux

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    Topic renamed, deleted, balled-up, deleted from the nightly back-up tapes, erased from the memory of all who saw it, and backed up into time and eradicated from the time-line.
    Also, never buy another DVD from those pesky Antarcticans, either.
    [Edited last by Jonathan Perregaux on October 18, 2001 at 09:37 AM]
     
  8. Eugene Hsieh

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    Asian bootlegs are a well-known phenomenon. In fact they far outnumber "real" DVDs in many areas. This is no big discovery.
    Did you get burned? Remember feedback is there for a purpose and I would never buy anything without reading it first. (In fact I don't buy anything from ebay ever anyway but that's my personal preference only.)
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  9. george kaplan

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    How about
    "Be careful when buying dvds on ebay from sellers in Asia"
    Your title is akin to my getting burned when buying a R4 disc from Australia that I can't play in R1, so I post "Don't buy dvds from White guys on Ebay!"
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  10. Peter Kim

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    NathanP,
    I've usually enjoyed your posts...I know you've meant no ill-will toward Asians, and I can see some merit to your subject.
    But, keeping in mind the topic header is the 'headlight' for any discussion here in HTF, you could have been less inflammatory.
    By looking at the topic alone, I cringed. I am Korean and sell/buy on Ebay. I have nary a negative feedback. You exclamation cries out that everyone should steer away from Asian sellers.
    Upon reading your topic, I saw your real intent (and that your topic did not accurately reflect your argument). Buyers should review the feedback on all sellers, regardless of their origin. I agree that there may be a higher propensity in the Asian community (member originating in Asia) to sell bootlegs. I could be wrong...but I believe the culture of counterfeiting is not so branded in Asia as it is here in America.
    Anyway, thanks for the tickle...
     
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    Okay, that has to be the worst subject line ever! Hope it gets deleted soon. [​IMG]
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    Header edited by moderator. No further explanation necessary.
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  13. MikeSerrano

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    Thanks to the Mod that changed the topic header. (EDIT: before I posted there was not Mod note--thanks Cees).
    I think it was simply a case of poor word choice and was not meant in the way that most of us took it.
    -Mike
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    [Edited last by MikeSerrano on October 18, 2001 at 10:09 AM]
     
  14. NathanP

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    Guys, Guys, it's a title not the end of the world [​IMG]
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    ", nearly all sellers based in Asia have MUCHO negative feedback for selling "Duplicates", "Not Original", "Terrible Quality" dvd's on Ebay"
    I bet you I can list at least 20 Asian Sellers that do not have one bootleg in their auctions!
    I can give you a list of at least 20 active Asian Sellers that are.
    Caveat Emptor.
    If you feel the need to be the E-Bay police; if you seen an auction with bootlegs all you need to do is do this:
    http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html
     
  17. NathanP

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  18. Peter Kim

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    James D S,
    I have no idea what you're talking about...I Agree with Nathan. Because counterfeiting is much more widespread in Asia than in the U.S., buyers should be much more vigilant in checking out the sellers background. Regardless of where they're from.
    That is why I said counterfeiting is not that branded (negative connotation) in Asia as it is here. And since it's not looked upon as a scourge, it is much more prolific.
    [Edited last by Peter Kim on October 18, 2001 at 02:52 PM]
     
  19. James Nguyen

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    Peter,
    my reference is to the fact there is an increasingly large amount of films in the region that are legitimate DVDs produced by Asian studios. These typically are Asian films and not Asian releases of American/Hollywood films.
    Companies like Bitwin, Tai Seng, Media Asia, Universe, Spectrum, Mei Ah and others all put out legitimate releases of Asian film onto DVD---and the quality of their releases keep getting better over time IMO.
    Do I disagree that there is not a rampant counterfeit problem in Asia? Of course not. I've visited and I recognize that it is an issue. My point was to address the fact that there is more and more quality, legitimate work coming from the area as well; releases that should be supported by consumers to encourage additional efforts by these studios. Also, I disagree with the notion that DVDs are "easier" to counterfeit in Asia...the technology to do so is relatively available anywhere in the world. Asia just happens to be more lax with selling the items in public.
    Two recent additions to my collection really illustrate to me at least the quality of discs coming out of Asia. Bichunmoo from Spectrum came as a 2 disc set, DTS and DD 5.1 soundtracks, anamorphic video transfer, commentry tracks, deleted scenes, making of shorts, and an overall excellent picture and audio presentation.
    Shiri fom Bitwin equally impressed. The packaging was of extremely high quality, including booklets that discussed the various guns shown in the film, the various fish alluded to in the film (the movie uses goldfish for quite a few metaphors). The presentation itself was excellent, great video, great DTS and DD 5.1 soundtracks, again, 2 disc set chock full of extras, anamorphic presentation, well translated subtitles.
    Japanese R2 DVDs are often of impeccable quality as well--Sixth Sense for example has a full bit DTS track.
    Sure, excellent releases like this are more the exception rather than the norm right now, but there's no denying that there are excellent quality releases available.
    As I said before, caveat emptor (Nick, Latin for let the buyer beware)...be rational when deciding what to purchase. If it seems to good to be true, than it probably is. Just don't let the quantities of counterfeits obscure your ability to recognize quality, you may just miss out on some great stuff.
     
  20. Ryan Wright

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    I agree with Nathan.
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    This whole "Stop generalizing, stop judging, I'm offended" stuff has got to end. I didn't see the original title of this thread (did it say don't buy from any Asians, or don't buy from ASIA? Big difference), but regardless, we must generalize.
    FACT: Buying a DVD from an outfit in Asia carries a higher risk of it being a bootleg than buying from an outfit in the US. Bootlegging is rampant in certain parts of the world and has been for decades - this is nothing new, people. Why, then, do we cry "I'm offended" when someone states this fact? Nobody seriously thinks all Asia-based sellers are selling bootlegs - there is no need to clarify that point nor get offended because you believe someone implied it. Certainly, however, a larger percentage of sellers in Asia are selling bootlegs as compared to US sellers. You need to be more careful when buying from sellers based in specific places on the globe, and Asia is one of them. Yes, this is judging and it is generalizing, but it is not a bad thing. It's just a fact of life.
    Guess what, if you see a tricked-out Honda, you can bet the driver is Asian. If you see a Corvette, you can bet the driver is white. Am I implying that white people can't/don't drive modified Hondas or Asians somehow can't own a vette? Of course not. So don't take it that way.
    &lt/rant&gt
    Man, I wish people weren't so damn easily offended...
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