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Does this Tosh 42HL196 42" 1080P LCD HDTV have actually 1080p native resolution?

Discussion in 'Displays' started by orestes, Sep 3, 2006.

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  1. orestes

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    1920 x 1080-pixel resolution This is the biggest clue that a television is indeed capable of producing a native 1080p resolution.
     
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    Seth=L:

    I was reading another thread at AVS forum about this particular Toshiba, and someone was saying (if I understood correctly) that this particular Toshiba does not take 1080p input. I wonder if this is important.

    I guess that if it does not take 1080p input, then a source outputting at 1080p will have to go thru some conversion before it actual displays on the screen. I am confused here, for I eventually plan to buy a Sony PS3, and I'd like to take advantage of 1080p output whenever a video or game outputs 1080p.

    Can someone comment about my concerns above? Thanks.
     
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    If you read the spec's on Toshiba's website it says:

    # 1080p x 1920 LCD Display
    # Up converts 480i/480p/720p/1080i to display 1080p
    # 480i/480p/720p/1080i HDMI
    # 480i/480p/720p/1080i MPEG DNR

    This would indicate to me that the set does not accept a native 1080p signal over HDMI, and instead it may upconvert the signal from 1080i to 1080p. I may be wrong of course, I'd recommend calling Toshiba to ask.

    Or alternatively, take a look at 1080p sets from Sharp (D62/D90), Sony (XBR2/XBR3) and Samsung (most 92D/95D/96D sets). These models do not have misleading specs, and indeed offer True 1080p native resolution. I would recommend any of these models over any Toshiba LCD without hesitation (the specs speak for themselves).
     
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    To the best of my knowledge the first 1080P input plasmas are the Panasonics. Just released in Japan. US release date is unknown, but likely by the end of this year. AFAIK, the smallest size will be 50 inches and will sell in the $5000 range.

    If you are not up for a $5000, 50 inch, IMHO, your best bet is the Panasonic 42PX60U.
     
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    Hi Arthur - orestes is asking about an LCD model, not a plasma.. There are a many LCD's available with native 1080p from Sharp, Samsung, Sony and others. [​IMG]

    Also, Pioneer Elite has a 1080p plasma model already available in the US for $10,000. This is the first 1080p plasma on the market.
     
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    Alon:

    Then, if I were to buy an HD LCD now, a Samsung like this (model LN-S4095D)

    http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/L...Specifications

    would be a better value since it does accept native 1080p.

    Anyway, thanks for your input here. Oh by the way, I was mostly interested in LCD units for my question.
     
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    Who cares about 1080p input when it displays in 1080p? [​IMG]
     
  9. Michael Reuben

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    People who have 1080p sources and don't want to have to downconvert them, only to have the display re-upconvert them. While the ultimate result may be a 1080p image, that image may be degraded by those extra conversion steps.

    M.
     
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    Hi Jon - this thread is 9 months old. At the time, many sets introduced on the market were marketed as 1080p but were only capable of accepting up to 1080i. This was very misleading my various brands at the time, and is largely not a problem today. The Toshiba model that started this thread falls under this category, and does not accept 1080p signals, it will only upconvert to 1080p.
     
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    Actually it is never down converted FYI. It doesn't down convert! It's manually set to a lower resoltution. [​IMG] And what is lost during the conversion that you know of? [​IMG]
     
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    FYI..... 1920x1080 is 1080p........... period.
     
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    That's irrelevant. This isn't an issue of resolution statistics. It's an issue of reproducing all of the picture information available from the source. If the source contains a native 1080p image, that's what people want. They do not want some lower resolution that the display has upconverted by making educated guesses about what the missing (or interpolated) pixels would have displayed if only the full-res image had been supplied.

    M.
     
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    Do more research on REGZA displays, it offers 'native mode' which fully restores the 5% of image that is lost during scaling.
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    It's unclear why you feel the need to punctuate every post with laughs, rolling eyes and "crazy" smilies. You've posted four times in this thread (five, if one counts the post that was reported and deleted for violating the rules), and not once have you actually addressed the topic under discussion. In addition, you've made at least one statement that you've now admitted elsewhere is wrong ("1920x1080 is 1080p........... period"; it's also 1080i, as you now concede).

    As noted by another poster, this is an old thread, and the issue of native 1080p input is not as tricky as it used to be. Accordingly, to prevent any more misinformation being posted here, I'm closing this thread.

    M.
     
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