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Dvr'd The Black Swan on Movies! Last night and the print of course was the same that plays on The Fox Movie Channel and used for the dvd --- does anyone know if Fox has an archival original Technicolor Print? Must have looked wonderful upon its original release! The original release in 1942 was timed for the Christmas Holidays - here is the NYT's review! After seeing "The Black Swan," which hove to at the Roxy last night, a good many small boys are going to feel they were born too late into this world. For guided by Rafael Sabatini's reckless pirate yarn, Darryl Zanuck has hauled a likely lot of studio swashbucklers all over the Spanish Main and with enough Technicolored sword-play and double-barreled oaths to make a 12-year-old's eyes pop. Directed in headlong style by Henry King, filled with rococo rhetoric by Ben Hecht and Seton I. Miller, and acted in the ripest tradition, "The Black Swan" is one of the waning season's prettiest adventures. Sir Henry Morgan, Jamie Boy, and Tommy Blue—they were men, sirrah!Swaggering up and down the Caribbean under full sail, wearing enormous sashes, cutlasses like razors and mustachios of assorted styles, the villains have a gay time of it. Today, they pounce upon a gold-laden galleon, scuttle it and leave precious few survivors; tomorrow they swoop into Tortuga; next day, Maracaibo lies ready for plunder. The boys sweep through the streets, breaking heads merrily as they go, stealing the likeliest maidens, brawling over rich brocades. Now and then, one finds himself upon the rack in the governor's dungeon, but not for long—his friends arrive invariably and on cue. Amid these rip-roaring events there is the story of Sir Henry Morgan's temporary return to grace as governor of Jamaica and his attempt to sweep an unrepentant former henchman, Billy Leech, from the seas. For this mission, Jamie Boy, who looks for all the world like Tyrone Power, is selected, but only after Jamie makes a midnight abduction of a certain aristocratic lady—in this case, Maureen O'Hara—to make the voyage more bearable. How Jamie brings the red-bearded Leech to bay and simultaneously wins the acquiescence of his kidnapped lady is all told in that final handsome battle as ships rake each other with broadsides and Mr. Power's men rage across the decks.It is performed by actors as if to the hokum born. Mr. Power is a very vision of manly loveliness, and he growls just like a big bad pirate; Laird Cregar, as Morgan, bellows oaths like an irate opera singer; George Sanders's Billy Leech is as naughty and quarrelsome a man as one would care not to meet on a moonless night; Thomas Mitchell's Irish accent still stands him in good stead as one of the roisterers, and Maureen O'Hara is brunette and beautiful—which is all the part requires. "The Black Swan" is in the golden tradition of boyish adventures. The small fry probably will be brandishing wooden swords in the parlor and slitting sofa pillows for some time to come. But a lot of grown-ups are going to like it, too.
 
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You do know that Fox released this on Blu-ray back in 2013, and it's still available on Amazon and such?

If you have seen this, you would understand the question. Apologies to Mr. Kimmel, but this film is so far skewed towards blue that its "Technicolor" credit is rendered moot. Fox screwed a lot of their classic releases similarly.
 

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If you have seen this, you would understand the question. Apologies to Mr. Kimmel, but this film is so far skewed towards blue that its "Technicolor" credit is rendered moot. Fox screwed a lot of their classic releases similarly.
Well, I don't agree with your assessment either regarding those "Technicolor" films from Fox. I think they look beautiful!
 

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You do know that Fox released this on Blu-ray back in 2013, and it's still available on Amazon and such?
Same terrible print across all media, wondering if FOX has an archival print and if that could have been used for the video incarnations
 

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If you have seen this, you would understand the question. Apologies to Mr. Kimmel, but this film is so far skewed towards blue that its "Technicolor" credit is rendered moot. Fox screwed a lot of their classic releases similarly.
Yes the film is still heavily skewed towards blue - remember when the film came out on dvd they bragged about the "restoration" of it.
 

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Here is the Home Theater review of the blu ray which agrees the color is really a let down - we all now Fox's elements were all dumped in the ocean!

Video Rating: 3/5 3D Rating: NA

The film has been framed at 1.33:1 and is presented in a 1080p transfer using the AVC codec. There is certainly nothing wrong with the sharpness which is excellent throughout (one can see the wrinkles in the water tank backdrop for the at-sea ship shots), but with the horrifically lacking color elements Fox has been left to work with, the color isn’t very satisfying (a double shame since the film won the Oscar for color cinematography in 1942). The best color you’ll see is in the still shot that serves as the menu background for the disc. On the transfer, skin tones vary from purplish pink to brown throughout, and the contrast levels vary enough to turn blacks to gray and cause crushed blacks constantly (many scenes were shot in low light). The transfer is clean as can be, however, but the obvious effort that went into making the transfer the best it can be does result in a mediocre result through no fault of the Fox engineers. The film has been divided into 20 chapters.
 

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Same terrible print across all media, wondering if FOX has an archival print and if that could have been used for the video incarnations
It's well established that Fox junked their original elements for most of their movies from the 1940s and consequently are unable to reproduce these films adequately on disc. If an "archival print" capable of being a better source was available to them, they would have used it. So clearly Shawn Belston and his co-workers don't believe that any prints they have knocking around have a role to play.
 

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http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews22/the_black_swan_dvd_review.htm Check out the screenshots blu ray versus the dvd! And the claim a 2 million restoration? The commentary was acceptable - Ms. O'Hara filled the time quite nicely - although it seemed more like an interview than a commentary at times. There were a few amusing anecdotes but we are talking about a film almost 65 years old. Behlmer knows his stuff and talks quite well. The restoration comparison shares visual evidence of the superiority - frankly, I think our DVDBeaver comparisons do a better job :) - but the 2 million dollars worth of restoration are very evident (I've now heard it was closer to 5 million). Overall this film looks quite remarkable and makes for very enjoyable viewing. Fox continues to impress with its 'Studio Classics' lineup.
I Got to meet Ms O'Hara at Macy's when she was there signing copies of the VHS Miracle On 34th Street Street before the appearance I told my Macy's contact Jean McFaddin the legendary leader of the parade about Ms. O'Hara always receiving roses of every color from Herb Kalmus of Technicolor - so Macy's did the entire floodlight thing outside and presented her with the roses of all colors - when I met with her upstairs at Macy's with the VPs Jean told her I was the person that told her about the roses - Ms O'Hara said to me "Mr. Kalmus always sent me a bouquet of roses they were my "Technicolor Roses" and he sent them to me at the start of every film I made even in black and white because of my Technicolor films were always big for their firm!
 
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It's well established that Fox junked their original elements for most of their movies from the 1940s and consequently are unable to reproduce these films adequately on disc. If an "archival print" capable of being a better source was available to them, they would have used it. So clearly Shawn Belston and his co-workers don't believe that any prints they have knocking around have a role to play.
Wonder the condition of the UCLA print?
 

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I'm watching the Blu-ray and so far it at the 25 minute mark, it looks fine on my 55" OLED. As to the earlier DVD, how do we know the color is accurate on that disc?
 

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I'm watching the Blu-ray and so far it at the 25 minute mark, it looks fine on my 55" OLED. As to the earlier DVD, how do we know the color is accurate on that disc?
I am only looking at the screenshots and the dvd looks a bit more color charged the blu of course looks sharper and more film grain but the colors look sadly lost to the pacific ocean 45 or more years ago on both
 

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