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Do not trade with TYLER GEER aka DCMAN([email protected]) ...YOU BE THE JUDGE!!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by jin-ho, Jun 7, 2001.

  1. jin-ho

    jin-ho Second Unit

    Apr 11, 1999
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    Back in mid-May, I had purchased a package of dvds from Tyler Geer ([email protected]) from the Classified Ads of AVS Forum. The titles that he promised were as follows. However, the titles that I received were different as follows.
    Titles Promised..............Titles Actually Received
    Batman ...............................same
    Friday: platinum series ..............same
    Leathal Weapon 4 .....................PROMO
    Toy story ..........................TS 1 & 2 (2 PACK)
    Toy Story 2 ........................TS 1 & 2 (2 PACK)
    Lost in Space.........................PROMO
    The Crow: wide screen ................same
    Braveheart: widescreen ...............same
    Conan: collector edition .............same
    Dragon the bruce lee story ...........same
    Terminator 2: UE......................same
    Mision Impossible dts ...MI2 ASIAN REGION 3(NON DTS - NO INSERT)
    Xmen dts ................ASIAN ALL REGION (NON DTS – NO INSERT)
    Jurassic Park dts .......ASIAN ALL REGION (NON DTS – NO INSERT)
    hk multiregion dvds:
    Star Wars Episode 1 ..................same
    Crouching Tiger hidden dragon ........same
    In fact, it is hard to believe he ‘mistakenly’ shipped different titles since he deliberately included the ‘dts’ on three of the titles which are clearly not dts, not even U.S. originated, a fact that he ‘inadvertently’ missed to disclose. Also, he did not specify that the three promo titles were indeed ‘promos’. Moreover, Toy Story 1 and 2 were the 2-pack, not separate titles.
    I asked him to rectify this problem, and as you can see from the following correspondence, he really has no intentions. At first he tried to weasel out by trying to be cute and acting dumb. Then, he accuses me of not inquiring about the titles beforehand, that I lacked communications. Then, he makes an unacceptable offer (he offered me one other flawed title, which I already have). I emailed him back saying that it was not satisfactory and asked for another solution. He would not email back. A couple of more emails on my part, still no email from him. Obviously, he is avoiding me.
    I paid him through Paypal and wonder what action I could take. Please advise what I should do.
    >> >> From: jin-ho lee
    >> >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:33:28 -0700 (PDT)
    >> >> >
    >> >> >i got the dvds you primised and it was only
    >> >> yesterday that i had a chance to review the 17 dvd
    >> >> package.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >to my surprise, some of the dvds are not what you
    >> >> >promised. i want to believe there was an inadverdent
    >> >> >error on your part and sincerely ask that you rectify
    >> >> >the following problem.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >you promised dts versions of Mision Impossible dts,
    >> >> >X-men dts, and Jurassic Park dts.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >instead, i received asian originated copies of
    >> >> Mision Impossible 2, Xmen and Jurassic Park. also,
    >> >> you did not mention lethal weapon 4, Stargate and
    >> >> Lost In Space were promos.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >pls reply to this email with a suitable solution.
    >> >> >will be waiting for your reply.
    >> >--- dcman dcman wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> I did not know of the things your commenting on.
    >> I purchased those dvds on anandtech a few months ago
    >> >> and this is how they were maked as? So thats why
    >> I maked them that way. Sorry if a couple werent
    >> >> exactly what was labeled in my add, was not
    >> >> intentionaly misleading. And the leathal weapon
    >> came with my dvd player purchase so that explains why
    >> its a promo but its still the full movie, so I did
    >> not mention that because I figured there was no
    >> >> difference between it and retail. I am sorry that
    >> I have no way to rectify this except for an
    >> apology, sorry if a couple of the dvds out of the package
    >> I sold was not exactly what you wanted. But they
    >> were as I decribed in good condition, I was just a
    >> little off in the types. Sorry again!
    >> From: jin-ho lee
    >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
    >> >even though i believe what you say, it still does
    >> not solve the problem. you clearly did not live up to
    >> your part of the deal.
    >> >
    >> >i am an avid collector/trader and the asia dvds
    >> have less to nil market value. i purchased them from you
    >> >only because you mentioned 'DTS'. i already own DD
    >> >versions so i do not need copies. and as for
    >> promos, they have almost no resale value and that is why
    >> >people in dvd forums specifically mention whether
    >> they are promos or not.
    >> >
    >> >i suggest you come up with some sort of a refund to
    >> >compensate for my loss or take back the dvds that
    >> are not what you specified.
    >> >
    >> >I do not want to make this a public issue, so
    >> please show an effort on your part.
    >--- dcman dcman wrote:
    >> You recieved what was decribed. Point blank you
    >> never asked any details or had any comunication. I
    >> would have conveighed that those dvds were promo
    >> which to me had no extreme relevance, but if it did
    >> you should have stated beforehand but they were
    >> described as they were labeled. And the hks were
    >> decribed incorrectly I admit, but they still have a
    >> resell value of atleast $12. You got them all for
    >> $11.66 each shipped including the retail dvds, thats
    >> a good deal. This is too long of a wait to have any
    >> gripe about the deal this was done 2 weeks ago and
    >> just now you have a problem. If it was such a big
    >> deal you should have contacted me sooner. As far as
    >> I am concerned this is a done deal you got what you
    >> paid for, I nevered described any of them as retail
    >> so they all could have all been promos for that
    >> matter. You should ask more questions and keep
    >> better comunication if you dont expect to be
    >> surprised by things you assume.
    From: jin-ho lee
    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT)
    >"You recieved what was decribed." ?! CLEARLY NOT!!!
    >i thought you would be at least sympathetic and make
    >an effort. obviously you have no intentions. you leave
    >me no choice but to make it into a public issue.
    >i could live with the 'promo' dvds but the asian dvds
    >that you claimed to be 'dts' is another matter. some
    >would consider it fraud.
    >as for my late claim, i was traveling abroad when we
    >made the deal. i just returned this week.
    >--- dcman dcman wrote:
    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:38:38 -0500
    Ok I'm willing to resolve this issue in the best way possible. So not
    to damage either one of reputations unjustly. Because this little
    discreptancy is not worth a war. I will give you another dvd free, a retail
    What Lies Beneath. Its not in perfect condition has a couple tiny
    scratches but plays perfectly, just wanted to be upfront, honest and
    descriptive so theirs no misunderstandings. Let me know if this will be
    sufficent of a recoupe and I will also expect a positive heatware eval in
    return for this, thanks.
  2. alan halvorson

    alan halvorson Cinematographer

    Oct 2, 1998
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    Yes, you are clearly in the right here - promos and Asian titles should have been identified as such - his attempted weaseling is pretty weak. Failure to inquire does not excuse anything. The only quibble I have with your complaint are the Toy Story titles - aren't these simply the single releases in a box?
    What to do? Since you paid via PAYPAL, I suggest going there to determine a course of action. You are insured to a point (I believe), if you've shipped to a verified address. Other than this, since this is an individual, there's nothing that can be done about the matter, at a reasonable cost. I guess you've done what can be done - advertise his name and e-mail. I won't trade with him as a result and I assume many others won't either.
    I sure am sorry to hear about this situation. It rather shakes my confidence. I have never been burned trading with individuals or buying and selling on Ebay. However, I expect my time is coming and I will be posting something similar.
    You Can't Roller Skate In a Buffalo Herd - Roger Miller
  3. JerryW

    JerryW Supporting Actor

    Feb 7, 2001
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    I would definitely gripe about the non-DTS and the promos and maybe about the TS/TS2 set (it's a 2 disk set in one keep case if I'm not mistaken).
    If you're really hacked off about the deal simply call your CC company and get them to reverse the charges. Explain to them what happened and you shouldn't have too much of a problem. Once you get your $$$ back ship the DVDs back to him. You'll have to pay the shipping but there's really no other way around it. Of course, he'll be mad as hell, but it's really his fault for lying to you in the first place. Whether you warn him about the chargeback is up to you, but it would be the "nice" thing to do.
    "But you have to remember that a worm, with very few exceptions, is not a human being." - Freddy
  4. jin-ho

    jin-ho Second Unit

    Apr 11, 1999
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    Seems like he has been abusing people constantly using bogus userids, especially on anandtech.
    Please be cautious not to deal with this jerk.

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