If you are new to working inside a service menu, please see the following and avoid a very common, recurrent pitfall. http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...librators.html Note: I'd like to keep the commentary in the above linked thread rather than here so we don't have two identical threads running. It would be nice to keep this tickler thread also present so the maximal number of affected people get a chance to get the message. It keep seeing this problem happening and hope to make some sort of dent in it. I'd put it in home theater basics, but it's probably too deep for newbies. This is a problem that happens when one learns enough to be dangerous but not fully put 2 + 2 together.