I know that "torch mode" is bad for an RPTV. There's an open box at a local circuit city here on 61HS30 for $1999. I'm sure I can get it for $1899. Problem is, there's no telling how long the previous customer had it in his house...or how long it's been in the store, but they say it's only been 2 days. Or should I just get the 53HS30 brand new at Sears for 1800?