Some info from Denon (AVS Forum). The pre/pro we are working on presently will be higher in price than the 5803, because it will not be a 5803 without amps. We have been asking for such a product you mentioned, however none has come yet. (I asked about a prepro that would cost about 2/3 the price of the 5803 and would essentially be a 5803 without power amplification) R.A. Regards, __________________ Jeff Talmadge Product Manager DENON Electronics (USA), Inc.