I don't know how much more of this I can take! Just when I think I am ready to move on a purchase, this forum makes me doubt myself! Somehow I get the feeling that it will always be that way - great! Anyway, all this talk about the Outlaw 950 and separates and "stuff" has me wondering. I was ready to jump on the Denon 3802 at $830 (brand new w/warranty) when I read all this about the Outlaw. Can someone please tell me if there is a better NEW "separates" value available than this deal I was leaning towards. My definition of value is a package containing equivalent or better sound, equivalent or better features, equivalent or better expandability (adaptability) - all at equivalent, or close to, price. Thanks for the input.