Denon 2802 vs 3803

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  1. Joe

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    Years ago, I briefly had a Denon 2802 and found it rather flat sounding. Does the Denon 3803 share the same sound characteristics as the 2802?
     
  2. Jamey F

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    I have the 3803. I haven't listened to the 2802, but I can say there is nothing flat sounding about the 3803. VERY detailed sound that gives out an immediately perceived "brightness". After more listening to material I have listened to frequently, I realize this "brightness" is just what I was missing out on before. While my previous Yamaha 992 was certainly not thought of as warm or muddled, it has nowhere near the level of detail the 3803 gives. DVD's background sounds are more realistic and discernable(sp?). Two channel audio is much cleaner with a clear sound that my Yamaha lacked the ability to provide.

    I have a set of older Paradim 7se mkIII, CC300 center, and Mini Monitor rears with a PS-1000 sub. I had a Pro Logic Onkyo that wasn't good enough to show off my speakers. Then I got the Yamaha that was a good match at that time. The 3803 really shows my speakers' limitations. While they sound better than ever, I know I could easily benefit from Paradigm's studio line.
     
  3. BrianWoerndle

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    The 3803 has gotten much better DACs from the 5803, so that should improve the sound. But I can't tell you how much of an improvment it would be from the 2802.
     
  4. Joe

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    Anyone find the 3803 and Paradigm studio speaker too bright of a combo?

    Also, any sound comparisions of the 2802 & 3803 would be appreciated.
     
  5. CurtisC

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    Is there any way you can try the 3803 at home,at around 1k its very impressive imo.
     
  6. Dave Elliott

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    I just bought a 3803. Previously, I had a Denon AVR2800 (which is the predecessor to the 2801/2802 models).

    My speakers have a very crisp sounding metal dome tweeter. With an old Harman Kardon amp, they sounded great. With the 2800, I found it was a little too harsh for my tastes. I actually put some additional cloth in the speaker grille to cut it down a bit.

    After upgrading to the 3803, I found that it is a much warmer, more natural sound. Previously, any high-frequency brass instrument would make you wince, but now its very smooth.

    Despite the power ratings (80wpc for the 2800, 110wpc for the 3803), the power difference is truly impressive. I have a feeling the 2800 was a bit underrated, as I can now hear more detail and the mid-range impact is much more forceful. Moreso than you would think with just a 30wpc improvement.

    Also, the 3803 has some very advanced DSP/processing circuits, IIRC they were taken from the 5803. This means that from a pre/pro perspective, the 3803 is possibly even better than the 4802. I expect this processing is also part of the reason it sounds so much better.

    I almost went to a pre/pro and 7ch amp setup, most likely an Outlaw 950/7100. After researching it, I came to the conclusion that the 3803 had a lot more features and could just as easily be connected to a 7ch amp down the road.

    So far, I'm really happy with the 3803. Hope that helps.

    -Dave
     

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