deer hunter overated and heavens gate under rated?

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  1. chris winters

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    just curious what people think. Is the acclaimed flick The Deer Hunter overated and is the directors follow up Heaven's Gate underated with its universal panning by critics?
     
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    Oh Shit, here comes Dennis Nicholls,

    In my opinion, please.....where's that rollie eye?
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    I haven't spent much time on HTF in a while, but is this a thoroughly covered topic, or is it just that the question is kind of pointless?

    My two cents. I think Deer Hunter is a great film. I saw Heaven's Gate years ago and did not think it was anything near awful. Beautiful, meandering and mostly forgettable.
     
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    I think you may get every possible combination of answers in this thread.

    My vote: They're both Overrated.
     
  6. Joe Karlosi

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    I've only seen THE DEER HUNTER and yep, I'd say it was Overrated.
     
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    I only saw The Deer Hunter once(and a P&S VHS copy at that), but I did feel it was overrated. The Russian Roulette scene was horrifying, but the rest of the movie didn't do much for me.
     
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    I haven't seen Heaven's Gate, but is it really possible for a movie that's practically synonymous with "big pretentious disaster" to be overrated? Although, George, maybe this is your pushback against the "no, it's really good, the critics were all wrong!" revisionist review that one occasionally runs into for this movie. [​IMG]

    I only saw Deer Hunter on P&S video many years ago, before I even knew what aspect ratio was, and I thought it was very powerful.
     
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    I’ve now seen The Deer Hunter three times and have liked it less each time. I was impressed on first viewing, but on reflection thought that some of the things that were being presented struck a false note.

    That feeling has deepened with each viewing.
     
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    Which just goes to prove that a film you "like and want to see again" might not always hold indefinitely.
     
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    They're both better than Pearl Harbor.
     
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    Pearl Harbor was louder with better visual effects.[​IMG]
     
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    The answer is yes. This movie gets 2 out of 4 bones from Videohound. It's IMDB rating is 6.2 out of 10 (including 21.9% voting it 10 out of 10, more than any other rating). And the only reason I saw the film was because it was on some list (I can't remember which one) of "great films". Hell the film got a nomination at Cannes. So yes, it is definitely over-rated.
     
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    Reviews on IMDB and sites like Amazon are heavily biased toward fans of the film being reviewed. People who don't like a movie are a lot less likely to look it up on IMDB or Amazon.com, let alone write a review for it. Critics who panned Heaven's Gate when it came out years ago probably haven't given it much thought since then. I find the reviews at Rotten Tomatoes to be a much better indicator of the general consesus about a movie. Heaven's Gate has 47%. I find that much more believable than a few 10/10 reviews from hard-core fans.
     
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    Critics like Deer Hunter because it's anti-war without being anti-American -- in the end everybody is able to sing "God Bless America."
     
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    OK, so 47% of critics give it a thumbs up. I still say that's easily overrated for this film.
     
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    I didn't like Deer Hunter. So IMO, overrated.
     

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