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James Berardinelli is on Metacritic!

And, it's not just a distinction between a 7/10 and a 10/10. On RT it can literally be a 5.1/10 and that's considered a rave! It's absurd.
I'm pretty sure that a 6/10 is a fresh on rotten tomatoes.
 

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Kevin Feige says they spoiled the appearance of the character revealed in the final trailer so that the actor in question could be invited to the premiere without their presence being a spoiler.
No offense to the actor (I deleted the spoiler text without reading it so I don't know who it is) but I get that they'd want to come the premiere but why does one person get to kinda mess it up for an audience of millions? Given the reaction here, it must be a returning character so it wouldn't exactly be weird for someone who was in a Marvel movie to show up at the premiere of another Marvel movie. If Robert Downey was at the premiere of The Eternals, I wouldn't automatically think he was in The Eternals.
 

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I won’t get to see this until Sunday, so I’ll skip this thread for a few days, but know that I’m envious of those of you going as soon as tomorrow. I have a good feeling about this one.
 

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If Robert Downey was at the premiere of The Eternals, I wouldn't automatically think he was in The Eternals.
Exactly. That's what's so dumb about this. They absolutely could have had this person at the premiere without necessarily saying they're in the movie.

To go with your example, I would assume Robert Downy Jr. is (or should be) grandfathered into any MCU premiere he might want to attend for any reason. His history with the studio is enough to get him in there whether or not he is involved with the specific movie.

Disney/Pixar also declined to invite Richard Kind to the premiere of Inside Out at Cannes so as to keep his character, Bing Bong, a surprise. I think this is ridiculous too, especially given where the premiere was held. I would not have seen any reason for him not to go, even if they didn't want him to answer questions about Bing Bong.
 
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I'm pretty sure that a 6/10 is a fresh on rotten tomatoes.

For a "Fresh Rating" OVERALL, yes. But, an individual critic can say a film is fresh for them if they just barely like it, hence, a 5.1 out of 10 if they so choose. On Metacritic a 51 is a 51. On RT, it can 100%. The critics themselves decide if a movie is fresh or rotten
 

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James Berardinelli is on Metacritic!

And, it's not just a distinction between a 7/10 and a 10/10. On RT it can literally be a 5.1/10 and that's considered a rave! It's absurd.

And I think he should be!

My question was related to who they deem "serious" critics? For example, I had a website for my movie reviews back in the late 1990s... It was more for fun and to practice my creative writing (though I did get a couple of pre-release screening invites to smaller films!). Would my opinion have counted?

And yes... I would agree 5.1 would be a "Fresh" if we use 5/10 as the midpoint, but I didn't want to assume for certain that's how RT rates a 5.1, so I played it safe with 7/10 (I think the difference between 7 - essentially "good" - is still a far cry from a 10 - "magnificent"). And I believe some reviews don't even have a rating!
 

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And yes... I would agree 5.1 would be a "Fresh" if we use 5/10 as the midpoint, but I didn't want to assume for certain that's how RT rates a 5.1, so I played it safe with 7/10 (I think the difference between 7 - essentially "good" - is still a far cry from a 10 - "magnificent"). And I believe some reviews don't even have a rating!

The point is that the CRITIC themselves informs RT if their review is Fresh or not (I know several critics, and they confirm this). So, if you are genuinelly 50-50 on a movie, you still have to 'declare' yourself. So techinically, not even a 51 ----- and, it still goes down as a 100!! Idiotic
 

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The thing about RT is that the overall score is an averaged one based on a boatload of reviews. For any given film, some critics will love it, some will like it, some will dislike it, and some will hate it. Average them all together, and you get a general consensus.

To be honest, I rarely consider the RT score when deciding to see a movie. But I find it interesting to see what the score is, in an abstract knowledge kind of way.
 

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The thing about RT is that the overall score is an averaged one based on a boatload of reviews. For any given film, some critics will love it, some will like it, some will dislike it, and some will hate it. Average them all together, and you get a general consensus.

To be honest, I rarely consider the RT score when deciding to see a movie. But I find it interesting to see what the score is, in an abstract knowledge kind of way.
Trying not sidetrack the conversation about Marvel Movie #34.

But, thing is, the RT score is NOT the average since the number is based solely on a 100 or Zero score. Metactric IS the average of all the scores. That's why it's far far superior, and I do use it as a gauge of what films I might be interested in. Might, being the key word. It's not the be all and end all either, but, there are far too many mediocre movies that have 70s, 80s and even 90s on RT.
 

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Just got backk from seeing this in IMAX 3D.

I liked it a lot. I thought it started a bit slow and felt very gimmicky for a while but then kicked in and was very funny and witty.

Both Reynolds and Jackmsn are great in their roles and own them 100%

Lots of surprises and a definite crowd pleaser. Stay all the way to the end.

I’d give it a 8/10

Btw, the IMAX 3D presentation was great. Lots of depth and even a few pop outs outside the frame. I was surprised at how good it was.
 

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I found this to be a solid film especially compared to other recent MCU movies. This was a good tribute to the FOX Marvel movies.

During the credits (Not a post credit scene)
They showed behind the scenes clips and scenes from previous FOX Marvel films set to Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) by Green Day.
 

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Thought it was hilarious. The action scenes were ho-hum but the funny stuff was great!

Loved the cameos. The big surprises for me were Channing Tatum and Henry Cavill. Was also cool to see Wesley Snipes and Jennifer Garner but Channing and Henry were the ones that brought the heartiest reactions!

Also, which Laura do you think was with them at the end? The local Laura (who buried Logan with an X) or the one from the Void?
 

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I watched this yesterday afternoon at the first showing.

Absolutely loved it. I thought everything hit: jokes, action, acting, surprises, plot. It's all here.

Everyone involved should be happy with the result.

Expanding on this point, there is a major lesson for Marvel/Disney (and other studios) here: it isn't always bad to give the fans what they want, and sometimes that's exactly what you should do.

You could call this movie "Deadpool 3: Fan Service". Pretty much everything people have been wanting is here. Yes, that happens. Yes, that character is here. Yes, you get to see that. And it's all epic.

The problem with Marvel movies since the beginning is the resistance to giving fans what they want. Yes, the rights issues are complex and a hard barrier, but I'm not talking about those issues. And I don't want to turn this review into a commentary on the greater MCU (we have a thread for that). Suffice to say I hope the powers-that-be watch the movie and realize that there's a simple elegance in cleaving close to the source material, and focusing on popular characters with decades of history.

Back to the movie itself, the plot is an interesting side story to the TVA/multiverse story, and it has internal logic. My only issue with the plot is that Mr. Paradox's motivation could have been fleshed out a bit more.

My prediction is that the plot is the second step (Loki is the first) toward the true goal for this meta-phase of the MCU, which is Secret Wars. My guess--and this is a total guess and is not a spoiler at all--is that Secret Wars will conclude with the multiverse collapsing or being reborn, coalescing all characters and franchises into one universe (only SONY's universe will remain separate, and Disney will whistle passed that graveyard).

The performances from Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman are really good here. While Reynolds doesn't quite have the same emotional highs as he does in the first two (which is a totally insane thing to write about Deadpool movies, but it's true!), I think he's funnier here and his comedic timing and deliver is outstanding. Similarly, while Jackman doesn't reach the same emotional highs as he does in Logan (which is a flawless superhero movie that should have been nominated for Best Picture), his unbridled rage in the "car" scene and the sadness and regret in the "fireside" scene and in his talk with Cassandra come quite close.

Cassandra Nova is a great villain. Unlike Gor and the High Evolutionary, she isn't wasted, nor is Emma Corrin's talent. At times she looks exactly like the character does in the comics. It's...ahem...uncanny. The way the movie portrays her powers is pretty much perfect, giving the audience the same unease found in the comics. It feels more invasive than Charles or Jean (though frankly their powers are just as invasive).

I'm not going to discuss the surprises because they are incredible. I'm not even going to use spoiler tags because people might wrongly click them. Come back after the weekend for my take on the surprises if you care.

But because X-23 was shown in the trailer I consider that fair game. Dafne Keen continues to shine as Laura/X-23. She has less to do here than in Logan, but man she's great. She's the best thing about the otherwise unwatchable His Dark Materials HBO show, and the best thing about the super mediocre (bad? Bad.) Star Wars show, The Acolyte. Just keep giving her roles. A conversation should be happening right now about having her be the next Wolverine. Whatever you do, Kevin, don't let her go.

The previous movies' supporting cast is sadly almost completely absent. I understand why this had to happen, and their absence actually supports the overall theme and plot of the movie. So it makes sense. But the greatest sin with their relative absence--and perhaps the greatest flaw in the movie--is that we don't get a fastball special.

The soundtrack continues to be filled with absolutely bangers. Though I could have used another epic Celine Dion ballad (but, then again, couldn't we always?). Perhaps the best use ever of Madonna's Like a Prayer.

Special effects were solid. I didn't see any obvious green screening or annoyingly obvious use of the Volume. Really good work by the effects teams. Alioth looked awesome.

The fights sequences were brutal and inventive. They almost always went on too long, but deliberately so, because Deadpool stuff has a habit of "wrapping around" where it starts to get old and then keeps going until you forced to say, "okay, yeah that was pretty rad, keep going."

Ultimately this was a perfect capstone on the Deadpool movies, as well as the FOX movies as a whole. There was respect given to the FOX movies without ever feeling false or sarcastic. The mid-credit sequence is genuinely heartfelt and touching.

I hope this movie is a glimpse into what we might see in the future if Disney has finally realized the benefits of just giving the audience what they want. Lesser known (with the general public) characters are fun and can be great. The Legion tv show from Noah Hawley is filled with them and it's one of the best things under the Marvel banner ever. James Gunn struck vibranium with his take on The Guardians of the Galaxy. If you would have told me in 2001 that by 2024 some of the most well known Marvel characters would be Groot and Rocket I would have figured you a liar. But not everyone is Noah Hawley or James Gunn. Maybe let's just keep it simple for a few years, eh?

Anway, terrific movie. Loved it. Gave me everything I wanted, and a few things I didn't know I wanted.

9.5/10 (minus 0.5 for no fastball special)
 

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A lot of the cameo casting is being spoiled by articles and headlines in today's entertainment press. Those not wishing to be spoiled will need to be very careful.
 

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A lot of the cameo casting is being spoiled by articles and headlines in today's entertainment press. Those not wishing to be spoiled will need to be very careful.

I'm not a spoilerphobe, so I don't mind. But yeah. Everyone wants to be the first to tell everyone everything.
 

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