- Oct 8, 2006
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at j.r.'s funeral there was a flag over the coffin. i don't remember if the character served in the armed forces.
JR never did, but Larry Hagman did. so, it could be tribute to both Larry Hagman and JR.kingfish said:at j.r.'s funeral there was a flag over the coffin. i don't remember if the character served in the armed forces.
I know this is a new show with new characters, and one of them very well may be the killer. But, I really hope not. If that's the case, it will be a let-down...the killer will not have the "history" or past with J.R. as a lot of the original show cast. But, I agree that tons of past cast are not needed on this new show, and I seriously doubt William Smithers or Carter McKay will suddenly show and end up being the shooter. Just because they were main adversaries of J.R. and the Ewings in the original show doesn't mean they will out of nowhere pop up now. However, I would think the killer of J.R. would need to be someone tied into the Ewings and the past (aka the original show). I still throw out the theory of Val...as we have not seen her yet and she's supposed to have an appearance. Maybe J.R. was trying to cheat Gary again, while he was in town, and Val found out about it and had enough? What about Afton Cooper? She's supposed to have an appearance too and maybe she shot J.R. for what he and John Ross have done to her daughter and what they're trying to do to Cliff? Again I really hope Cliff Barnes is not the actual killer...that would be way too obvious and almost "stupid" in a way. If there's a character on the new show that would possibly be the killer, I agree it would probably have to be Harris Ryland. But, again Ryland and his "Norma Bates"-like mother do not have that much of a past with J.R.--they would be more likely to kill Bobby or even Ann. However, supposedly J.R. was trying to investigate Ryland for something that Bobby could use against him...so that could be the motive for Ryland being the shooter. Or maye Ryland had it done, and it'll still be someone that shocks us, that we're not expecting. Again...what if the killer was Ann herself, for what J.R. had done to Bobby and Christopher once he came back into their lives? We just don't know...I can't wait to find out and time will give us our answers!Kevin EK said:I watched the funeral episode and was a bit moved by the performance by Josh Henderson. They made an interesting choice in having Bobby have a much more negative reaction - his character may slip a bit over the next few episodes. Given that this is effectively a new show, from new writers who are creating new characters, I strongly believe that the killer will be a character on the new show. It won't be a ghost from the past who we haven't seen on the new show. Some of those theories are interesting, but it would be extremely odd to suddenly wheel out William Smithers, who has never appeared on the TNT show and have him proclaim his guilt. I also doubt it's the Venezuelans, although that's a strong possibility, given that J.R. threatened the main bad guy at the end of Season One, and who knows what wheels that set in motion? I doubt that it's Judith Light's character. Maybe it could be Ryland, or a killer hired by Ryland. And I wouldn't discount the possibility that it's tied to Cliff Barnes. I doubt that it's Rebecca, although that's possible. J.R. did make a point of threatening her. And if J.R. is shown to have anything to do with Pamela's death, that would tie that whole package together. We'll see in a few episodes.
Bobby Ewing has said that nothing ever appears to be as it seems with JR. Bobby knows JR is very capable of bringing in some bad people just to make a deal and then screwing them later. The current plot has pieces, like Ryland and his dirty business with trucking and/or Cliff being brought to keep the barnes ewing fued. The comment by Bobby saying that we are dealing with a nasty person does not fit Cliff. Cliff is brutal and the last seen with him about the daughter and the oil rig blowing up shows he has no heart. However, the lack of heart does not mean he is that nasty or would stoop to contiuing JR as that would be too obvious and i am not sure the writers would go that direction.HunterMan said:I know this is a new show with new characters, and one of them very well may be the killer. But, I really hope not. If that's the case, it will be a let-down...the killer will not have the "history" or past with J.R. as a lot of the original show cast. But, I agree that tons of past cast are not needed on this new show, and I seriously doubt William Smithers or Carter McKay will suddenly show and end up being the shooter. Just because they were main adversaries of J.R. and the Ewings in the original show doesn't mean they will out of nowhere pop up now. However, I would think the killer of J.R. would need to be someone tied into the Ewings and the past (aka the original show). I still throw out the theory of Val...as we have not seen her yet and she's supposed to have an appearance. Maybe J.R. was trying to cheat Gary again, while he was in town, and Val found out about it and had enough? What about Afton Cooper? She's supposed to have an appearance too and maybe she shot J.R. for what he and John Ross have done to her daughter and what they're trying to do to Cliff? Again I really hope Cliff Barnes is not the actual killer...that would be way too obvious and almost "stupid" in a way. If there's a character on the new show that would possibly be the killer, I agree it would probably have to be Harris Ryland. But, again Ryland and his "Norma Bates"-like mother do not have that much of a past with J.R.--they would be more likely to kill Bobby or even Ann. However, supposedly J.R. was trying to investigate Ryland for something that Bobby could use against him...so that could be the motive for Ryland being the shooter. Or maye Ryland had it done, and it'll still be someone that shocks us, that we're not expecting. Again...what if the killer was Ann herself, for what J.R. had done to Bobby and Christopher once he came back into their lives? We just don't know...I can't wait to find out and time will give us our answers!
Bobby showing Sue ellen the connection is part of the overall plan, i.e. Ryland running drugs up with his freight or Cliff wanting to destroy the Ewings once an for all as pay back for Digger or Pamela will be dead and Christopher will inherit 1/3 of Barnes Global.Kevin EK said:I agree that Audrey Landers looked great in her appearance. She actually has aged the best out of the original cast, and it was fun watching her and the other original characters snarling at each other. At least it gave Bobby a good line about her claws.
I think there's a bit more going on than meets the eye with J.R.'s death. I don't think it was a simple case of murder. The other pieces of the puzzle are just coming out now, so I have a feeling we'll be getting a bit more about them with each episode until the finale.
I have a friend and she too loves "Dallas". She said she read a twitter message from Patrick Duffy that said the show will come back for a 3rd season...but that it will probably be sometime in 2014, as everything for 3rd season had to be unbelievably rushed & everyone had to work insane crazy hours to get the "new" episodes filmed, all because of Larry Hagman's death. He stated that the producers and writers want to really spend time on the episodes and make them "good" and captivating...plus everyone needed a huge break after the hecktic filming schedule. So, I think we can count on a 3rd season...but as Kevin stated we don't know how many episodes yet. I would hope they could do another 15 like season 2.Kevin EK said:Now that the Season 2 finale has aired, we all know the answers to the questions regarding JR's death and regarding Pamela.
I'm curious to hear the responses to the revelations, now that people have had time to watch the last two eps.
I believe the show will come back for a third season, but I'm not sure how many eps they'll do.
First...I'd like to figure out how to get notified again, when repiles to posts I'm following are made. It was never a problem on the old forum. I have the setting to notify me immediately when replies are made...but I'm not always getting notified.Kevin EK said:I was fine with the finale while watching it, but if you tug on the threads a little, the whole sweater comes undone.
We are told that JR did what he did because of a terminal diagnosis never shown before that comes out of left field. It's moving to us because we know that's what happened to Larry Hagman, but in that case everyone knew about it. For J.R. it's a sudden idea. I have no problem with him being the only one to have taken himself down. (Although various things did happen to him during the original series, like being thrown in jail, thrown in the mental hospital, thrown out of his company, shot, shot again, punched out by Ray while setting the mansion on fire, etc...)
The Pam story was interesting in that they tied it in with what we knew from the original series. Essentially, she did exactly what was indicated during her last appearance. She tried to get treatment and it failed. But the kicker here is that somehow this was kept totally, totally hidden with an added issue that supposedly Cliff was keeping the inheritance from Christopher. But why would Cliff in 1989 do that? He had no problems with Christopher that I recall. He saw Christopher as his sister's son. The Cliff Barnes I recall from the series would have wanted Christopher to take that inheritance and be a Barnes. We are also asked to believe that the doctor, when confronted with Christopher on his doorstep, would outright lie to him in an especially cruel and toxic manner and then one day later suddenly crumble like cotton candy. There's an unfortunately big stretch there.
The idea of Bobby going along with J.R.'s plan is also a bit sketchy. If the plan was always to frame Cliff, why would Bobby go along with this BEFORE what Cliff did to the rig. I can see him doing it afterward, given Cliff having knowingly blown the rig - but I don't know that Bobby ever knew the extent of Cliff's actions. WE know, since we were shown it, but I don't think Bobby knew. We can say Cliff got his just desserts, for now, but it's a very aggressive move by Bobby.
I have to wonder why Cliff has been sitting on information about the Ramos family for the last two years. Given that he was behind the whole eminent domain idea, wouldn't he want to enlist the Ramoses in his plan to unseat the Ewings? Why is it that he waits until he's in prison to suddenly spring that idea? This isn't something he suddenly found out about - he clearly had done research at some point in the past. The more logical approach would be for him to turn the Ramoses against the Ewings while the Ewings were at their lowest point, thus driving a wedge into the works. This will clearly be a plot point for next season, but it's a bit fishy in its outset. And it should be easily fixed by Elena showing the documents to Bobby, who she trusts. Once Bobby sees JR's signature and the back-door way that was handled, he can easily switch the deeds for her - it doesn't hurt his company and it shows the connection between the Ramoses and the Ewings. But for some reason, Elena flies off the handle and goes down a different road. Which is a bit out of character for her.
The Ryland thing is a bit more interesting. If I'm reading this right, little Emma is actually just as manipulative as her father. They've given her a strange ride this year. She goes from being poor little brainwashed rich girl who believes everything her father says to being girl on the run from her manipulative father to girl who's taking lots of drugs to girl who sets up her father and gives his materials to John Ross so they can have an affair. (I left out the part where they were starting to have an affair right after JR's death but that just overly complicates this picture). Are we to think that she was planning to do this for the whole second half of the season? Or is she just changing each time the plot twists? We'll need to see what she does early next season - I think she's going to be played as a younger version of her father and possibly more dangerous. And yes, I'm sure her father will get out of jail in short order while the sketchy nature of the charges gets appealed. If Ann could get off after brazenly shooting him in his home, he won't be in jail that long. Cliff on the other hand, I don't know. They may leave him in jail in Mexico...
Hi, Kevin...I actually got an email notification this time!Kevin EK said:I hear you, Drew, and we should definitely cut them a little slack.
But at the same time, I've been working in TV for some time, and these guys had plenty of time to reset their closing episodes, at least initially. The place where they had to scramble with the writing was for the funeral itself, once he suddenly passed away. They did get pressed to deliver the episodes on time, but that was due to TNT moving up the airdates for the last 4 episodes by presenting them as two hour blocks, thus making them air two episodes a week ahead of schedule and the season finale TWO WEEKS ahead of schedule.
The Pamela story was done I think to provide closure for the fans more than the character, and to give Christopher an added incentive to be part of the big plan. Given that the producers had never intended to include Pamela in the new series, and given that Victoria Principal herself had also said she had moved on, doing the story allowed the producers to stay with what the original show had established and at least answer that question without having to bring the character back into the situation.
As for Cliff, the character back in the 1980s was very much in love with Sue Ellen, and very protective of his family, including Pamela. He was willing to work with Bobby Ewing from time to time, but he hated JR and Jock. I believe he regularly showed affection to Christopher when he had scenes with him and Pamela. So it's a leap for me to believe that he decided to cut everyone out in 1989 - particularly since Christopher was his last connection to Pamela after her death. For purposes of the new series, the producers have now said that he was doing exactly what you described - cutting everyone else out and hogging it all for himself. And that works for the 2013 Cliff. It works for the man we saw call for the rig to be blown while his daughter was still on it. I don't know it works for the character I saw in the 80s and can still watch on DVD if I want to jump back in time...
The thing with JR's plan is that I don't believe that Cliff, the governor and Ryland were all in cahoots before JR died. What JR found was proof of Ryland's drug dealings, and he already knew Cliff's tendencies and traveling schedule. The information left by JR told Bobby how to frame Cliff for JR's death, and gave him leads both on Ryland and on Pamela's death certificate. I suppose Bobby was waiting to see how Cliff would behave, and we could go with the idea that the growing information aout Cliff and Ryland's collusion with the Governor prompted him to go forward with JR's plan. Once it was clear that those three guys were out to destroy the Ewings, Bobby went ahead and played JR's cards. If I think of Bobby trying to do this before he knew the rest of the information (and he never knew all of it), it's a fairly aggressive move for Bobby. He could get very angry even in the original series, but it's a jump for him to actively frame an innocent man.
The obvious point to the Ramos deed and the Emma morph is to create some conflict going into the new season. My issue with them is that they are sudden zigs and zags, rather than ones that organically grow out of the prior events. And again, for Elena, this is a pretty big step out of character for her. The Elena Ramos we've known for the past two years would not just assume that Cliff was being straight with her, and even if she thought he had good information, her next step would be to call Bobby and say "What the heck?", not fly off the handle and disappear into Mexico...
We'll just have to see what they come up with - It will be a little while before summer 2014, which I agree with you is the earliest I could see them returning...
Yeah, I saw that...read it formally announced on ultimatedallas.com the other day! Awesome!! However, despite a rumor I'd heard that season 3 might come back in the summer of 2014...the article on ultimatedallas hints that the show might return again in say January. No formal premiere date, though, has been stated yet. Here's a copy of the ultimatedallas article:Kevin EK said:TNT has indeed picked up the new Dallas for a third season, once again of 15 episodes. So we'll get to see some answers to the questions from the cliffhanger. And then there will be new questions asked, of course. Not too shabby for a show that was originally a hit thirty years ago. Now they'll have 40 new episodes of it. Let's see if they can keep it going into a fourth season.