Curious about Criterion vs. British R2 relases.

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  1. Zane Charron

    Zane Charron Second Unit

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    It's easier for me to get R2 releases from Amazon.co.uk than from the states. So I'm wondering how some of these R2 releases compares to their R1 Criterion and non-Criterion counterparts? (some of these haven't been released stateside yet)

    Straw Dogs
    The Red Shoes
    The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
    The 400 Blows

    also

    Metropolis (2-disc R2 edition)
    The Italian Job
    Black-Hawk Down (2 disc set in Region 2)

    I noticed that alot of these releases have similar supplemental content and are released about the same time. Are they all licensed under the same respective companies?

    If the Criterion/US editions are superior I'll wait to get those from the states, but if not there is no reason (aside from artwork) to wait when I can get them from the UK.

    Maybe there is a website listing the differences?

    Thanks for the help

    Zane
     
  2. Tom_Bechet

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    If u are interested in Black hawk down R2 get the french or Belgium release with it's 3 discs, well wort it.
    I can't really answer your question as I don't really know how the criterion discs are (extraswise)
    The italian job UKR2 is a brilliant set.
    as for a website that states differences try: http://www.dvdcompare.org.uk/comparisons
    BTW why don't u buy from play or splashdvd?
    they are far cheaper or is it because of the Zoll in Frankfurt who lately seem to stop every parcel from jersey?
    here's criterions site: http://www.criterionco.com/asp/
    HTH
     
  3. Zane Charron

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    Wow, that is a great website. I thought I had seen it come up in one thread or another.

    It's amazing the SEs of Black Hawk Down that are already out in region 2.
     
  4. Jon Robertson

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    I can't imagine, based on the current specs, that Criterion's Straw Dogs will come anywhere close to beating the R2 effort, which is a magnificently thorough package.

    Buy with confidence!
     
  5. Zane Charron

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    Another release I didn't know about in region 2 is Raging Bull: Special Edition. It looks like a good package, though the transfer is non-anamorphic. I've heard that a R1 SE is being prepared for this year though, so I think I'll wait for the anamorphic edition.
     
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    it looks like the french R2 has no subtitles (if that is a problem for u) but great extras.
    HTH
     
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    The Criterion site give all the information, so I’ll just give my views.

    Straw Dogs—who knows yet? We can assume that the transfer will be top notch. Just have to wait on judging the extras.

    The Red Shoes—no question here, the Criterion wins first prize. The commentary alone (with all the interviews, where all of the participants don’t necessarily see things the same way) is worth getting this version. The transfer is remarkable (see also Black Narcissus) and I found the storyboard ballet sequence to be extremely interesting.

    I’d get the Criterion ‘Blimp’, as well. Scorsese is such a big P&P fan, that the commentary is worth the cost. I can’t compare this to the R2 version, but the transfer is very fine, and it’s the restored length as well.

    Criterion has supplied a number of hints in various on-line forums that they might release The 400 Blows again. Only you can decide if you should wait.
     
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    Also of interest is Anchor Bay's UK R2 DVD of Time Bandits. Check out the comparison. The UK DVD has all of the Criterion features (commentary and "scrapbook"), plus more (including a new interview done for the DVD and a deleted scene). Additionally, the disc features an anamorphic transfer (PAL, of course, but the Criterion disc has a non-anamorphic NTSC transfer) and a DD 5.1 remix. The original soundtrack was Dolby Stereo, I believe, so the 5.1 remix hopefully isn't much of a drastic modification.
    DJ
     
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    The Kino R1 Metropolis is virtually identical to the R2 release. I think the only difference is that the video is NTSC.
     
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    DJ
    Thanks for the tip regarding Time Bandits
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    I have also seen TB in several shops for that price so I don't pay the P&P
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    They also have Monty Python's The Meaning of Life for £7.99 which excanges in the U.S. for $12.59.

    That's an pretty good price compared to what the oop region 1 disc goes for on ebay.
     
  19. Malcolm Cleugh

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    The Anchor Bay R2 Time Bandits from Amazon.co.uk seems to be the first pressing, at least mine a few weeks back was.
    This is important as on the commentary there is some swearing which was not spotted as the track was not originally rated, not sure why this was done as even the extras in the UK need to be rated. The BBFC (British censor) insisted all subsequent pressings had this removed as the film is only rated a PG. So a collectors item.
    Also comes with a limited edition facimile of the map from the film.

    The other one I would recommend getting asap is the UK R2 Italian Job this has now been withdrawn by Paramount wef January so only what retailers have left is available.
     
  20. Jon Smith

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    same here, i got TB from Amazon.co.uk and is the first pressing.
     

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