Press Release Criterion Press Release: Summertime (1955) (Blu-ray) (1 Viewer)

[PMF]

I sit corrected, noble sir. I didn't realize that some hope based on a report that Criterion was taking our concerns seriously constituted "a misguided and myopic" misinterpretation. Just as I'm sure you didn't realize that your needlessly rude reaction to an innocent and understandable comment requires an apology.

Please re-read Post #375. I was actually backing you up. And I did so by steering HTF members ahollis and Moderator Robert Crawford towards Post #296, which I had surmised to be the reference point and answer to all that was being discussed.

When writing, “a misguided and myopic misinterpretation” I was lampooning my very own self; for within my zeals, I did not want to take the risk of creating any inaccuracies or running astray with the good words of Robert Harris.

I remain on your side with your initial Post of #371 and bear zero ills towards you or our collective membership, to which I very much respect and admire.

 

[Robert Crawford]

Please re-read Post #375. I was actually backing you up. I was validating and recognizing you. And I did so by steering HTF members ahollis and Moderator Robert Crawford towards Post #296, which I had surmised to be the answer to their question.

When writing, “a misguided and myopic misinterpretation” I was being self-deprecating and lampooning my very self; for within my own zeals, I did not want to take the risk of creating any Internet Ratio rumors nor inaccuracies with the good words of Robert Harris.

I remain on your side with your initial Post of #371 and bear zero ills towards any of our members.

No offense to RAH, but that post means nothing until we hear something from Criterion.

 

[compson]

Note that way back in post 5, Bob Furmanek posted reviews of the movie from the time it was in release (June 21, 1955, U.S. premiere). They specified a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. The first review (second image) is from the June 18, 1955, issue of Boxoffice, a magazine directed to theater owners.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27025469/boxoffice-june181955 page 95

 

[PMF]

Note that way back in post 5, Bob Furmanek posted reviews of the movie from the time it was in release (June 21, 1955, U.S. premiere). They specified a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. The first review (second image) is from the June 18, 1955, issue of Boxoffice, a magazine directed to theater owners.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27025469/boxoffice-june181955 page 95

Lucky for us that Summertime wasn’t a 20th Century-Fox film, otherwise it would’ve been known as Summerteal.

(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist)

 

[RobertMG]

Note that way back in post 5, Bob Furmanek posted reviews of the movie from the time it was in release (June 21, 1955, U.S. premiere). They specified a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. The first review (second image) is from the June 18, 1955, issue of Boxoffice, a magazine directed to theater owners.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27025469/boxoffice-june181955 page 95

Amazing how many great comments are here and Criterion still is not bending I am just thinking if I want the film I will just get the Japanese disc --- has this film been shown on TCM recently at all?

 

[PMF]

Amazing how many great comments are here and Criterion still is not bending I am just thinking if I want the film I will just get the Japanese disc --- has this film been shown on TCM recently at all?

IF Criterion were to answer, it will not be overnight. Even if in our favor, I would imagine many departments would need to be conferred and, ultimately, it would come in the form of an updated press release in lieu of a thread posting. Just surmising, as I’m not an insider; but some things do need time.

 

[darkrock17]

IF Criterion were to answer, it will not be overnight. Even if in our favor, I would imagine many departments would need to be conferred and, ultimately, it would come in the form of an updated press release in lieu of a thread posting.

This has happened before with Orson Wells's Hamlet I believe. For some reason it kept being delayed for quiet sometime, I think it was a whole year later that it finally was released.

 

[Trancas]

Lucky for us that Summertime wasn’t a 20th Century-Fox film, otherwise it would’ve been known as Summerteal.

(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist)

Summerteal - The Girl (or Fox) Can't Help It.

 

[jayembee]

Amazing how many great comments are here and Criterion still is not bending I am just thinking if I want the film I will just get the Japanese disc --- has this film been shown on TCM recently at all?

Why get the Japanese disc? It's not in widescreen either. And what will you do if you get the Japanese disc now, and a month from now Criterion announces that it's going to release the film in widescreen, or have both ratios?

How about just relaxing and waiting to see if Criterion changes their collective mind. There's nothing to lose.

 

[darkrock17]

Why get the Japanese disc? It's not in widescreen either. And what will you do if you get the Japanese disc now, and a month from now Criterion announces that it's going to release the film in widescreen, or have both ratios?

How about just relaxing and waiting to see if Criterion changes their collective mind. There's nothing to lose.

This is the HTF, we can't have rational thinking such as that. You can get locked up for that or even worse.

 

[Robert Crawford]

Why get the Japanese disc? It's not in widescreen either. And what will you do if you get the Japanese disc now, and a month from now Criterion announces that it's going to release the film in widescreen, or have both ratios?

How about just relaxing and waiting to see if Criterion changes their collective mind. There's nothing to lose.

Furthermore, this Criterion Blu-ray will be derived from a new 4K scan which wasn’t the case for the Japanese disc.

 

[B-ROLL]

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Summerteal - The Girl (or Fox) Can't Help It.

That just looks like cheap Day for Night !

 

[Dick]

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Summerteal - The Girl (or Fox) Can't Help It.

You certainly captured the look color-wise of several Fox titles I have (WILL SUCCESS SPOIL ROCK HUNTER, THE KING AND I, THE BLACK SWAN, WILD RIVER, etc.), or at least night scenes therein.

 

[Dick]

Please re-read Post #375. I was actually backing you up. And I did so by steering HTF members ahollis and Moderator Robert Crawford towards Post #296, which I had surmised to be the reference point and answer to all that was being discussed.

When writing, “a misguided and myopic misinterpretation” I was lampooning my very own self; for within my zeals, I did not want to take the risk of creating any inaccuracies or running astray with the good words of Robert Harris.

I remain on your side with your initial Post of #371 and bear zero ills towards you or our collective membership, to which I very much respect and admire.

That is how I read it, Gary. Philip was helping to support your post.

 

[Gerani53]

I've already accepted Philip's explanation for his comment. We're all nice people here. Let's not belabor this.

 

[Thomas T]

We're all nice people here.

I take exception to that. I am not nice! I'm wicked!

 

[B-ROLL]

I take exception to that. I am not nice! I'm wicked!

Yet another green one ...

with a bad publicist !

 

[haineshisway]

I think most of us are in agreement with you that first-run cinemas didn't have the ability to project Academy anymore at that time which is why Academy films got butchered. But the reason wouldn't have been because they would have been windowboxed (you actually meant pillarboxed). It's because they discarded the Academy projection plates and lenses. Even with the correct plate, using the same lens would mean the 1.37:1 image have the same width but spill over the top and bottom of the screen, so they would need a lens with longer throw to make the image smaller. It wasn't like it is today with projectors that have incredible amounts of zoom and lens shifting capabilities.

I understand all that and was not suggesting it would have been pillar boxed back then. I know how all this works, just as I know Summertime was shown here in 1.85.

 

[Konstantinos]

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It looks exceptional! Can't wait to get this!

Look at this shot for example:

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The colors are much better and natural.

 

[haineshisway]

Well, isn't THAT fascinating. I don't think there's a single cap that wouldn't frame just fine at 1.85. One or two might be tight, but most would be absolutely perfect. I don't think that any of the caps posted here in the past represent what ended up being on this scan. And isn't THAT interesting.