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- Jul 3, 1997
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According to IMDB, there are "slight differences" between the original prints and the DVD; I wonder if they're using this original original version. Of course, that could also be one of those bogus IMDB posts that no one's ever bothered to correct.Vincent_P said:On Criterion's homepage, it's being touted as "Michael Cimino's never before available cut", so it looks like he has done some tinkering. It'll be interesting to see if he included any of the additional footage from the short version in this new cut, as opposed to it just being a slightly edited down version of the long cut.
Sounds like it. According to the internet, the 219 minute version was a rushed cut to make the premier. It was then cut down the whatever the short version is, with the short version having alternate takes compared to the premier cut (billed as a directors cut, but not actually the directors final cut, probably a similar case to Kubrick snipping a bit out of The Shining after the premier). I'm guessing this one is the only cut where Cimino was allowed to sit down and finalize it to his liking? Hopefully Criterion sheds more light.Originally Posted by Corey3rd /t/323048/criterion-press-release-heavens-gate-blu-ray#post_3962890
So this cut is 3 minutes shorter than the DVD that came out a while back?
Cimino had it in his contract that his name is connected with the film title.
The short version was released on letterboxed DVD in Europe. I have a copy.Bryan Tuck said:Sounds like a great package as usual, but it might have been fun to have the short version on there, too (as with Brazil), as it's never been released on video.
I think IMDB is likely incorrect, unless they're talking about the subtitles. The only thing missing from current released versions are the subtitles during the foreign language passages. The subtitles were on the original prints, the MGM-UA VHS release, and even the excerpts included in the Z CHANNEL: A MAGNIFICENT OBSESSION documentary, but they haven't been on any DVD versions, nor the HD version that played on MGM-HD and is currently streaming on Netflix.According to IMDB, there are "slight differences" between the original prints and the DVD; I wonder if they're using this original original version. Of course, that could also be one of those bogus IMDB posts that no one's ever bothered to correct.
Thanks Vincent. The Canby quote is good enough for me, which means I was having senior moments 30 years ago.Vincent_P said:Vincent Canby mentions the subtitles in his scathing review (see paragraph 5: http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=940CE4D61638F93AA25752C1A966948260), and I was told by a trusted source that documentation confirms the subtitles were there for the original screenings.