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Eddie Muller just took another step up in my book. During the audio commentary for "No Way Out" that he recorded back in 2006, for the DVD release he retold a conversation he had with James Ellroy. If you can go back in time to the glory days of "Film Noir" which three actresses would you try to make a move on. Eddie's choices were exactly the same ones I would have chosen, if I had that ability.:)

Ella Raines
Gloria Grahame
Linda Darnell
What!? No Gene Tierney? :)

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Eddie Muller just took another step up in my book. During the audio commentary for "No Way Out" that he recorded back in 2006, for the DVD release he retold a conversation he had with James Ellroy. If you can go back in time to the glory days of "Film Noir" which three actresses would you try to make a move on. Eddie's choices were exactly the same ones I would have chosen, if I had that ability.:)

Ella Raines
Gloria Grahame
Linda Darnell
Robert, Freudian slip: you say: "which three actresses would you try to make a move on." I know you meant to write movie, but...
Anyway, I'd add Joan Bennett and Barbary Stanwyck, wouldn't you?
 

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Robert, Freudian slip: you say: "which three actresses would you try to make a move on." I know you meant to write movie, but...
Anyway, I'd add Joan Bennett and Barbary Stanwyck, wouldn't you?
I meant what I said, which three actresses would you try to make a "move" on aka "hit" on. Eddie didn't reveal the actual term he used with James Ellroy, but it was clearly about trying to sleep with them.
 

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He mentions Tierney in the audio commentary, but I think he was going for pure sexiness.
Yeah, so was I. But yes, they were all very lovely.

Gloria Grahame has always been one of my favorite actresses from that era, both in terms of her beauty and her screen presence. Really terrific in films such as In a Lonely Place and The Big Heat.

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Yeah, so was I. But yes, they were all very lovely.

Gloria Grahame has always been one of my favorite actresses from that era, both in terms of her beauty and her screen presence. Really terrific in films such as In a Lonely Place and The Big Heat.

- Walter.
You have to remember that those three actresses that Eddie chose and I concur with had a certain attitude to them in the roles they played in film noir movies. Tierney was more refine and lady-like, if you know what I mean.
 

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You have to remember that those three actresses that Eddie chose and I concur with had a certain attitude to them in the roles they played in film noir movies. Tierney was more refine and lady-like, if you know what I mean.
And Joan Bennett could play the slut and the motherly type. Once she dyed her hair from blonde to brunette, she attained sultryness.
 
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You have to remember that those three actresses that Eddie chose and I concur with had a certain attitude to them in the roles they played in film noir movies. Tierney was more refine and lady-like, if you know what I mean.
I wouldn't disagree with that characterization of Tierney. I mention her just to talk about these actresses and because in a town filled with beautiful people she still stood out. I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone who would surpass her in terms of overall attractiveness. At least in my personal opinion.

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I've posted about this phenomena before on the HTF, but one of the weird things about getting into classic films is seeing the younger versions of actors and actresses in earlier works after only seeing their older selves on television while growing up, and sort of imprinting the older versions. I mention that because my first exposure to Stanwyck was on The Big Valley. Sure, you could still see the bone structure in the face and get a general sense of her looks, but then you see her earlier work and wow!

For me, an even more extreme version of this situation involved Katherine Hepburn who I first saw on television and film when she was well in to her 60s. The 'spinster' version of her was my general association and then you see something like Bringing Up Baby and its like Holy Crap. She looked like this?!

I am talking about a pre-internet and pre-cable time period so exposure to the earlier images and films was limited growing up in a rural environment. Obviously I was aware that these folks weren't fully formed as older people and had existed as younger versions of themselves, but the impressions were initially formed while viewing them in contemporary time (mostly from television.)

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I just remembered one more thing about Eddie's "No Way Out" commentary. He mistakenly stated that Poitier was born in the Bahamas, when he was actually born in Miami. That he has American citizenship too along with Bahamian citizenship and actually served in the American Army during WWII when he lied about his age. He was raised in the Bahamas, but moved back to the States during his teenage years to live with some older siblings. Of course, to become an actor he had to lose his heavy Bahamian accent. When I was in high school, my family went to Nassau and Bahamian family friends showed us Poitier's house there. I still remember that white beautiful home.
 

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I've posted about this phenomena before on the HTF, but one of the weird things about getting into classic films is seeing the younger versions of actors and actresses in earlier works after only seeing their older selves on television while growing up, and sort of imprinting the older versions.

- Walter.
These days the "younger versions" are the older versions ;) ...
 

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Nocturne. Like a warm glass of milk; it put me to sleep. Which is some accomplishment when watching as a matinee. A lot of standing around and yapping. And with George Raft, no color to the performance. Yawn. Just thinking about it makes me sleepy again.
I don't think "Nocturne" was that bad and it got me in the mood to revisit another Raft movie "Johnny Angel" (1945) which also has a Crawdaddy's favorite actress in Claire Trevor along with Signe Hasso.



I have to admit every time I think of that film title, I also think of this:


A boyhood crush on both, mother and daughter in that past TV series.:) Can anybody name that young actor standing next to Donna Reed? Hint, a connection to a certain Quentin Tarantino film.
 
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And Joan Bennett could play the slut and the motherly type. Once she dyed her hair from blonde to brunette, she attained sultryness.
Speaking of Joan Bennett and her sultryness. We'll see her again on the next "Noir Alley" in "The Woman on the Beach" (1947).

 

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Speaking of Joan Bennett and her sultryness. We'll see her again on the next "Noir Alley" in "The Woman on the Beach" (1947).
I have to admit that my noir education has always been sorely lacking but I am addicted to Eddie Mueller's show. It's a great chance to have some really great things I've missed curated for me. His stories are stellar and his love of the genre is palpable. I had seen NOCTURNE years and years ago but was surprised the other day at how much I really liked it (Lynn Bari never really got her due in my opinion.) I am shocked and dismayed that I've lived this long without having previously seen THE BIG CLOCK. Wow! As soon as it was over I immediately wanted to tell everybody about but then realized I was perhaps one of the last to have seen it!
 

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