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Not to be too pedantic, but it depends on how you're defining "better."

Admittedly, I've only see Costner's EARP once and it was many years ago. But it has some pretty big weaknesses - not the least of which is a then-39 year old Costner very unconvincingly playing a teenage Wyatt and its pacing.

While perhaps EARP has overall better filmcraft on display, TOMBSTONE is (subjective call) far more entertaining and engaging. It's eminently rewatchable, which I don't think EARP is.
To each his own.
 

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Hard to believe this is the same director whose prior film was the undersea sci-fi creature feature, Leviathan.

Well, that's done. Now let's do a western! :laugh:
 

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Hard to believe this is the same director whose prior film was the undersea sci-fi creature feature, Leviathan.

Well, that's done. Now let's do a western! :laugh:
There’s a good reason for that and the IMDb score/generally perceived quality of Tombstone compared to several of the other films GPC directed…
 

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Yeah the longer cut has only ever been on DVD. There seems to be a trend lately of invalidating non-theatrical cuts.

here's the head scratching part!

Vista Series DVD runs 134mins in NTSC as claimed on back cover
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R4(ala R2) DVD runs about 134mins as well in PAL
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both running length confirmed in this comparison link

then... wouldn't the UHD announcement version that runs 130mins approx. is Theatrical Version rather than Director's Cut?
 

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here's the head scratching part!

Vista Series DVD runs 134mins in NTSC as claimed on back cover
L_g0015213234.jpg


R4(ala R2) DVD runs about 134mins as well in PAL
s-l960.jpg


both running length confirmed in this comparison link

then... wouldn't the UHD announcement version that runs 130mins approx. is Theatrical Version rather than Director's Cut?
It is the theatrical cut.
 

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I don't see anything in the UHD press release that indicates a director's cut. I think it's the theatrical version.
 

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here's the head scratching part!

Vista Series DVD runs 134mins in NTSC as claimed on back cover
L_g0015213234.jpg


R4(ala R2) DVD runs about 134mins as well in PAL
s-l960.jpg


both running length confirmed in this comparison link

then... wouldn't the UHD announcement version that runs 130mins approx. is Theatrical Version rather than Director's Cut?

I didn’t see anyone say this release is the dir cut.
 

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here's the head scratching part!

Vista Series DVD runs 134mins in NTSC as claimed on back cover
L_g0015213234.jpg


R4(ala R2) DVD runs about 134mins as well in PAL
s-l960.jpg


both running length confirmed in this comparison link

then... wouldn't the UHD announcement version that runs 130mins approx. is Theatrical Version rather than Director's Cut?
The theatrical version is 2:09.37 while the director’s cut is almost 5 minutes longer but is about 20+ seconds shy of the 5 minutes mark at 2:14.15.
 

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A film I've wanted on 4k for quite some time. I'm holding on to my directors cut dvd because the 5 minutes cut out does explain a few subplots better like what happen to Michael Rookers charcter. I remember reading way back that there is a much longer version to the film, and to be fair Kurt Russell directed a good bit of this movie himself per Michael Bien on a podcast.
 

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... ...Tombstone’s audience will get a peek behind the saloon doors to see how Director George P. Cosmatos and his gang of filmmakers brought the historic O.K. Corral into theatrical reality, including the storyboard process and realistic Old West gunslinging.

The upcoming 4K release of Tombstone is the high-res huckleberry fans have awaited for decades….you’re a daisy if you don’t add it to your personal cinema archives... ...
ok... i was too excited and misinterpret this portion of information thinking that the most collectible version was the last VISTA SERIES Director's CUT DVD.

anyway... 2 product page is up @ BluRay.com, both European subtitled, one from the East another from the North.
 

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Hard to believe this is the same director whose prior film was the undersea sci-fi creature feature, Leviathan.

Well, that's done. Now let's do a western! :laugh:

George Cosmatos was a real filmmaker, who sometimes even actually directed the movies his name is listed on. That was reportedly the case on Leviathan.

However, Cosmatos was also infamous for occasionally working as a proxy director for other parties who could not contractually claim a directing credit. He'd done that for Sylvester Stallone on Rambo: First Blood Part 2. Kurt Russell has said that he actually directed Tombstone himself after original director Kevin Jarre was fired early in the shoot, and that Cosmatos was brought in as a figurehead to take credit for the job.
 
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I like both movies, but will fully acknowledge that the Kasdan/Costner Wyatt Earp is very leaden and self-serious. Tombstone is just a hell of a lot more fun.

As for the two having the misfortune to face off against one another, they were released six months apart. Tombstone was the clear winner, having been made for much less money and grossing more at the box office. It wasn't a huge hit, but it was profitable, whereas Wyatt Earp was a decided flop.

Wyatt Earp's real misfortune was being released opposite The Lion King, which absolutely crushed it. You'd think those two movies would have different audiences, but parents were too busy taking their kids to the Disney movie and didn't have time for a three-hour Western. Grown-ups without kids opted to spend their money on either Speed or Wolf instead, both of which had opened just prior.
In fairness to Wyatt Earp, it was more about showing Wyatt Earp’s life story than just focusing on the Tombstone chapter of his life. Hell, there are about three other Wyatt Earp movies I thoroughly enjoy as much or more so than these two movies.
 

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I seem to recall the public was starting to grow weary of Kevin Costner around that time as well. Or maybe that was just me and I'm projecting.

Costner was fairly all over the place in those days. He'd of course had huge success and Oscar glory with Dances with Wolves, and received acclaim for JFK, but Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and The Bodyguard (while big box office hits) were kind of considered jokes. A Perfect World is a lovely little movie that nobody bothered to see.

So, yeah, I think people were probably a little burned out on him by the time Wyatt Earp came along. Following that up the next year with Waterworld certainly didn't help.
 

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In fairness to Wyatt Earp, it was more about showing Wyatt Earp’s life story than just focusing on the Tombstone chapter of his life. Hell, there are about three other Wyatt Earp movies I thoroughly enjoy as much or more so than these two movies.

One of the most frustrating things about the Wyatt Earp movie is the way it basically skims through the Tombstone chapter, as if expecting you'd already seen that other Tombstone movie and didn't need it repeated. However, nothing else in Wyatt Earp's life was really quite as interesting as that part he was most famous for.
 

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