OK, I need some input. I'm not a good haggler. On top of that, for whatever reason, I must look like a mark. The new car is for my wife, who is currently driving what was suppossed to be my RX-300, and we've settled on either a Solara, or an Accord. Both the Toyota and Honda dealers we visited tried to sell me over MSRP. They changed their tunes quickly when I told them I had researched dealer cost for the vehicles etc, however they still came way too high. I'll be visiting two different Toyota dealers (my wifes preference) and maybe another Honda dealer as well this weekend...and I could use some advice on how to handle this, or what you all have found to be good strategy. I read the Consumer Reports buying info, have all the research but still have questions....Do I set a max price for myself, start slightly above or at dealer cost and then work from there? Or do I walk in there, tell them that I'll buy at $24,400 for example, and walk if they say no? I don't know what it is. At work, and really everywhere else I handle myself well...Put me in a car dealership looking to buy and I turn into a blithering idiot.