Buy your Hong Kong DVD's while you still can!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Matthew Brown, Dec 14, 2001.

  1. Matthew Brown

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    Disney/Miramax/Dimension/Buena Vista has bought the rights to several Hong Kong movies. All North American retailers are no longer supposed to be selling any movies that Disney has the rights to. These movies include GOD OF GAMBLERS, HEROIC TRIO, THE EXECUTIONERS, BULLET IN THE HEAD, SHAOLIN SOCCER, CITY ON FIRE, most all movies starring Jet Li, Michelle Yeoh, as well as several others.
    So what does this mean to the Hong Kong movie fans?
    Disney tends to cut, re-edit, re-score, and almost always English dub their Hong Kong movies. Disney does not mention that these movies have been altered anywhere on the packaging or on the DVD. The originals will be unavailable for you. In other words, there will be no region 1 release of these movies in their original form. It is already impossible to get a DVD of FIST OF LEGEND with it's original soundtrack anywhere on earth.
    There are two ways around this. You can still order these movies direct from Hong Kong. The prices still aren't bad. It just takes longer to get. The other way is a region free player so you can enjoy the Hong Kong Legends releases from region 2.
    I see a lot of threads that ask for uncensored versions of movies or extended cuts. I'm all for those. I'm just asking for the original cut of the movie with it's original soundtrack in the right aspect ratio. Is that asking too much? Apparently, for Disney it is.
    By the way, these aren't bootlegs that Disney doesn't want sold. These are legitimate imports.
    Matt
     
  2. Jeff Kleist

    Jeff Kleist Executive Producer

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    IIRC, Fist of Legend has NEVER been on DVD in OSL

    Shaolin Soccer is a Region 0, anamorphic and DTS disc with extras, so don't be bashful about snagging it! I'm terrified of what Disney is going to do to it when it's released in March theatrically

    Then again, Iron Monkey was subbed, and the only monkeying (sic) was with Yuen wo Ping's direct request and involvement. Could this be a turnaround at Disney?

    Yeah Yeah, I know, don't get your hopes up
     
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    Do you have a complete list so I can pick these up before BV butchers them?
     
  4. Matthew Brown

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    If Miramax released IRON MONKEY with the original score and called it a Director's cut, I would have no problem with it. Also, from what I understand, people who know Cantonese say the subtitles are off almost 50 percent of the time.

    I agree that the current version of SHAOLIN SOCCER is great. The only minor complaint is that some of the scenes that were in the extended cut need to be accessed while the DVD is playing. The dance number floors me everytime I see it. Disney showed the extended print of the film to test auduances with only a few seconds cut from the very first locker room scene. This minor snip changes what you think about a main character.

    I'll see if I can get a list. So far, most Jackie Chan movies that Newline doesn't have rights to are included.

    One more thing. These movies can't be sold whether Disney plans to release them or not.

    Matt
     
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    Hm, that explains why, as of a couple of days ago, these movies suddenly appeared as unavailable/OOP on US vendor sites like hkflix.com. So, yeah, it's already too late to get them "locally." This seems to have happened pretty suddenly and without notice.
     
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    Brian E:

    The Ritek version of Fist of Legend is in MANDARIN. The original soundtrack is in CANTONESE, which is still not availible on DVD.
     
  8. Matthew Brown

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    Brian -
    The Ritek DVD of Fist of Legend does not have the original Cantonese track. Also, the original track had Japanese characters speaking in Japanese. The Mandarin track has everybody speaking in Mandarin. For some of the differences between the Buena Vist aversion and Ritek, click here http://www.loveandbullets.com/fol.htm
    The current list I have seen is :
    Armor Of God
    Armor Of God 2
    Bodyguard From Beijing
    Bullet In The Head
    Chinese Ghost Story
    Chinese Ghost Story 2
    Chinese Ghost Story 3
    City On Fire
    Dr. Wai In The Scripture With No Words
    Dragon Lord
    Dragon Forever
    Dream Lovers
    Easy Money
    Heroic Trio
    Heroic Trio 2: Executioners
    Fighter's Blues, A
    Fist Of Legend
    Flaming Brothers
    Fong Sai Yuk
    Fong Sai Yuk 2
    God of Gamblers
    God Of Gamblers Returns
    Handsome Siblings
    Iron Monkey
    Last Hero In China
    Legend Of Zu
    Master, The
    My Father Is A Hero
    Once Upon A Time In China And America
    Peking Opera Blues
    Police Story 3: Supercop
    Prison On Fire
    Prison On Fire 2
    Project A
    Purple Storm
    Shaolin Soccer
    Shaolin Temple 2: Kids From Shaolin
    Swordsman
    Swordsman 2
    Tiger Cage
    Tiger Cage 2
    Tiger On Beat
    Triads: The Inside Story
    Twin Dragons
    Twinkle, Twinkle Lucky Stars
    Wonder Seven
    Yes, Madam
    I found these on the forum from cityonfire.com . I double checked them against what HKFLIX.com notes they aren't allowed to sell anymore do to Disney owning the rights.
    Matt
     
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    According to Yuen wo Ping, the Disney version IS his director's cut. However, they should have branched the DVD [​IMG] Oh well, Hong Kong Legends fixes that right up [​IMG]
     
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    Can Disney legally prohibit parallel imports? I recall that there was a court decision a couple of years ago that made this illegal? Perhaps someone reading this has some facts?
     
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    Is this just for the US or for the world market? What does this mean for the titles on that list put out by HKL?

    This does suck, considering Disney's track record...

    Jason
     
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    This appears to be for the US, Region 1. Hong Kong Legends is unaffected since they are exclusively PAL and Region 2.

    Whether Disney can legally do this or not, they are threatening legal action to North American retailers. They can't stop imports from being sold from other countries. Many places can't afford a legal battle even if they win.

    Matt
     
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    Disney doesn't want these to be imported. But, they can't stop them.

    Anyways, they seem to only buy the rights to the print not the soundtrack.

    IF you remember, they (Miramax) tried to pull the original Iron Monkey DVD off of e-Bay. They couldn't and the MPAA let the auctions continue.

    Some DVD's we get from Hong Kong specifically have a Parallel Import Restrictions; but these DVDs are always encoded R3 for that reason.

    Even though they are wrong, they have enough money and lawyers to illegally squash people selling these domestically.

    Sigh...

    Hopefully they run Tai Seng into the ground....

    my 2 cents.

    Also, FOL was only released in it's original form on LD, VHS and perhaps VCD.
     
  14. Matthew Brown

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    I hope they leave the theme song to HEROIC TRIO intact if they release it. Anita Mui belts out the vocals with authority! If you can still find it, the TAI SENG DVD is excellent.

    Luckily, the UK based Hong Kong Legends knows how to release these movies. HKVIDEO from France also does a great job.

    Another movie that should be on the list in the above post is Supercop 2, which is also called PROJECT S. This stars Michelle Yeoh and is a good movie that would be even better in its original language.

    Matt
     
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    I am positive this only concerns the US (or at least R1), since Hong Kong Legends has just closed a deal for several of these films themselves. I am sure we can expect some stellar versions from them, no matter how much Disney wants them out in butchered versions only. According to HKL, these are the movies they just closed the deal for:
    1. The Killer
    2. Bullet In The Head
    3. A Better Tomorrow 2
    4. A Better Tomorrow 3
    5. Once A Thief
    6. City On Fire
    7. Prison on Fire
    8. Prison on Fire 2
    9. A Chinese Ghost Story
    10. A Chinese Ghost Story 2
    11. A Chinese Ghost Story 3
    12. The Swordsman
    13. City Wars
    14. Peking Opera Blues
    15. Triads: The Inside Story
    16. The Big Heat
    17. Tiger on the Beat
    It's a shame they couldn't get ABT 1, but all three Chinese Ghost Story films are more than I could have hoped for [​IMG]
    Also, they commented on Fist Of Legend, and on Drunken Master 2, and according to them, they will NOT be able to get the rights to either [​IMG]
     
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    Well, that's good news. I was a little worried that they might have picked up worldwide distribution for these titles. I know that's probably why HKL couldn't get DM2.

    I only hope that HKL can get The Heroic Trio...

    Jason
     
  17. Chris Xolotl

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    Well, HKL still isn't the be all end all for HK movies. The fact is on a lot of their movies they don't include the Cantonese track, which sometimes is the preferred track.

    Disney bites.
     
  18. Matthew Brown

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    Chris -

    I think HKL only put out their early releases with Mandarin only tracks. People complained and they now get the original Cantonese track. Some of their DVD's are also not in their correct aspect ratio like DRUNKEN MASTER. I hope they re-release this as one of their Platinum Editions with the original soundtracks and correct aspect ratio. Now all their movies should be in their correct aspect ratio, as HKL listened to people who complained about DRUNKEN MASTER being cropped.

    I think HKL is used as an example because they may not be perfect all the time but they seem to at least give it a try.

    Matt
     
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    New Dragon Gate Inn is also Mandarin only [​IMG] and that I believe is a newer title, which disappoints me because it is such a great film!
     
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    A tad off-topic, but France is getting a Special Edition of Fist of Legend. Two DVDs, containing, interestingly enough, both the original, uncut version and the Buena Vista version (on separate discs). By my best guess, it appears that the BV disc has English 5.1 on it, while the uncut has French dub and Cantonese, both in 2.0. At least the uncut has French subtitles. I'm definitely picking this baby up. Some previous posters appeared upset at the lack of a FOL with Cantonese, so I thought this may cheer at least some of them up.
     

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