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Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by terence, Nov 17, 2003.
You can read the Press release here. http://www.cedia.net/press_media/ced...82d51 83877bd
I cannot say that I am disapointed in Bose because I don't have much respect to start with! Someone else posted in another thread that Bose will probably sue the "Lifestyles" condom manufacturer next.
3rd post in this thread: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...highlight=bose
Now the question is, does the suit have legal merit? I would think Cedia had been contacted long ago regarding their use of that term and possibly there'd been meetings or discussions between principals on both sides. This kind of stuff goes on all the time with companies that're looking to protect trademarks and the like.
"Now the question is, does the suit have legal merit?" To me, the question is, why are people so worried about this? If it's copywrite infringement, then Bose deserves compensation. How does that influence anyone's opinion of Bose? Whether or not their products are worth anything has nothing to do with whether or not they own the name of one product or another. I just don't understand how wanting to protect their company's products makes them bad. Now their tendency to produce products that are absolutely crap is another matter. I would not think that "Lifestyles" would be something of which they would be proud, but if they own the copywrite to that name then they should be allowed to protect it without anyone thinking less of them for having done so.
Well, the patent office has had it's share of screwups...perpetual motion machines and the like...it'll be interesting to see where this winds up.
Tim K. You said it WELL!!! My feelings exactly as far as "thinking less of Bose" goes. Although this suit is ridiculous, its not half as ridiculous as that customers suit against McDonald's regarding the hot coffee!!!!
Well, they sued Consumer Reports in the past for the audacity to not like the sound of Bose speakers.
and they lost, so?
"I think the point is that owning a trademarked word doesn't give you carte blanche to block anyone from ever using that word again. As long as a court feels that there is no potential for confusion" That is exactly what courts are meant to do. A court can very well "give you carte blanche to block anyone from ever using that word again", and Bose wouldn't be the first to have filed suit to acquire it. "As for "thinking less" of Bose....that will be hard to do for many people!" That's what I was objecting to. There is no reason to put Bose down for filing this lawsuit. It is only being done because people want another reason to dislike Bose. I think their products are reason enough, but if you want more reasons I would hope you'd find something more significant than this. In the meantime, acquiring exclusive rights to "Lifestyles" will eventually allow everyone to associate poor quality with that word. It may replace "Micky Mouse" as a term for cheap, poorly organized and ineffective. Therefore, Bose could be known as a "Lifestyles" outfit.
It makes me think less of Bose... I think any corperation that plays such a petty game knows that marketing is more thier strength than the product it's self.. Bose has no good products and thus they must sue anyone and everyone to protect thier name, because that is ALL they have.. I am sure they will loose the suit.. And if they do I hope CEIDA turns around and blocks them from the organization. Not like Bose ever had anything to contribute anyway.
Well said Brett!
There are currently 171 trademarks on file using the word "Lifestyles". Is Bose going to sue them all? Did I mention the fact that Bose's trademark is actually on the word "Lifestyle" not "Lifestyles"? Well, there are 422 Trademarks (or service marks) registered for "Lifestyle". Yeah, thats what I call frivolous. Should they sue Kathie Lee Gifford for using "Lifestyles by Kathie Lee" for her clothing line? (although, they are cheaply made crap as well so maybe there could be confusions). Or Digital Lifestyles as Texas based home electronics and networking installer? Or Hoover, or Eddie Bauer... OH WAIT....let's see Bose's trademark... Filing Date September 24, 1996 music systems consisting of a loudspeaker system and power amplifier and at least one of a CD player, tape player and radio tuner and let's look at CEDIA... Filing Date January 16, 1996 -consulting services, namely, providing technical assistance and advice in the field of electronics via a global communications network. -educational services, namely, arranging and conducting conferences, seminars, workshops and classes in the field of electronics and distributing course materials therewith. -printed publications, namely, pamphlets, newsletters, and magazines featuring electronics -arranging and conducting trade show exhibitions in the field of electronics and related consultation therewith Even though Bose has claimed "First use in commerce" in 1990, the fact that Bose's trademark is for Music systems and CEDIA's is for consulting, education, and exhibitions...just makes it all the more likely this is going to be tossed!
"Not like Bose ever had anything to contribute anyway." Of the things Bose has contributed is the Sub-sat formula for speakers. Had it not been for them, other companies would not have developed decent products in that format. Their innovation is frequently what spurs others toward meeting needs of consumers. If it wasn't for 301's and 901's alot of us would never have ventured into audio. Bose is frequently where people start (and seldom where those with any sense of high fidelity stay). Hating them doesn't change what they have contributed. But, again, there is enough in their product line to dislike without letting everything they do eat you up. "They are simply a marketing and suing machine..." If what you say about their frivolous lawsuits is accurate, how can there be any money to made by them? It's not a logical argument. They can't be making money suing people if they can't win the suits. It, in fact, would cost them money. "I already hate everything about them, can't you see there is nothing left to hate." "Every time I see a Bose claim about how great their products are or read about another silly lawsuit, I dislike them more." You both need to work on that. It's obviously taking up too much of your time. Just because you believe they're the worst company in the world doesn't make it true. Even if it was true, feeding your hate for them every time their name is mentioned is a waste of your time and everyone else's. By the way, I am irritated every time someone who has an axe to grind about a certain product gets worked up for nothing. That's why I've spent so much time addressing this Bose issue lately. I'm done now. I just think it ridiculous to have a thread in a speaker forum dedicated to something that is in no way related to speakers. You're talking about a lawsuit and hate. Move on.
Someone has to pay for these so called "lawsuits" which are so frivolous in nature! Don't we, the consumer, foot the bill eventually as a result of higher insurance costs to the manufacturer?
Doug, You are of course entitled to your opinion just as I am. I don't loose sleep over Bose nor do I sit in a stark white room devoid of any objects whilst I sit in the corner, frothing at the mouth all the while muttering "I hate Bose". When the topic arises you can bet your last dollar that I will put in at least my two cents and perhaps more. So Bose single handedly developed the Subwoofer/Satelite market? Fraid not... Bose does not even market a "Subwoofer" so I just blew that statement to hell. There were numerous audio companies marketing small audio solutions before Bose just look at some of the small wide range speakers put out by Henry Kloss. The only thing Bose did was wrap the satelites up in a package with a sub par "woofer" and make it pretty for the ladies. So ok in that respect yeah Bose invented W.A.F. for Audio I will give you that much. As far as audiophiles starting out with 901's and 501's I guess anyone can get suckered. I wasn't an audiophile years ago when I heard my first pair of 901's and they were as bad back then as they are today or at least to my ears. I can understand the need for a company to protect thier name within reason. But so many times these suits that Bose brings to court are far beyond reason. The sad part is that they have the corporate muscle to push smaller companies around most of the time. But that does not take away from the fact that this is a frivolous suit and I think anyone with half a functioning brain can see that. I am sure the Courts will rule in favor of CEIDA but the point is why should this be in the Court in the first place? There is absolutely NO MERRIT to this case and all they are doing is hurting (possibly) one of the greatest organizations that exists for the consumer electronics market. Like I said above when it's all said and done I would love to see Bose barred from EVER being a part of the group. And then we can just add that to the blacklist that Bose already has.. Hell Consumer Reports won't touch em.. None of the reputable audio rags will either.. Everyone knows not to play with fire or they might get BOSE'D
what is funny to me, is that if you look at Tim K's post #15...you can see the CEDIA actually filed before bose did!! I hope the court sees that Bose is infringing on CEDIA's trademark, and makes Bose drop lifestyle