Bond 25 - "No Time to Die" (2021) (2 Viewers)

[Tommy R]

When it comes down to it, I think that when it comes to casting, that the Fleming estate might have some input on the casting. I just don't see Broccoli Productions going against the norm just to be different by casting the character of James Bond outside of him being white. Broccoli Productions may even be limited by how much they can change or modify the character outside of what's already been established. Keep in mind that outside of seeing what's in the agreement behind Ian Fleming's estate and Broccoli Productions, that it's impossible to know. Creators/owners of certain franchises often put clauses into rights agreements that prevent a movie studio, even if they purchase the worldwide rights, from implementing drastic changes to the character.

Remember that this is just my personal opinion, without seeing the agreement.

To my knowledge, the only stipulation Fleming insisted on when selling the rights to Eon was that they couldn't use the story of his book The Spy Who Loved Me, but they COULD use he title.

 

[SamT]

Now that begs the question, why?

 

[tempest21]

I take extreme issue with Sam Favate's comment "What "good recent Bond films?""

It sounds like he's a James Bond hater. I've actually enjoyed every James Bond movie that has been made. Granted, some of the films are less received as a good film in my opinion, but, that doesn't mean I don't like them any less. The thing that people keep forgetting is that Hollywood has never, EVER, produced a movie accurately based on a published novel. While some have come close, Hollywood movie studios tend to rewrite the characters and stories that appear in the previously published novel that the movie is based from.

Lord of the Rings came damn close to the novel but there were elements that were glossed over or removed entirely. The Hobbit was an experiment in failure and while the Harry Potter movies were decent, they also left out a ton of content and material just to fit it in a two hour and then some movie. Don't get me started on the proposed Robotech or Akira movies which are going to end up cannibalizing the original manga and the anime film that adapted the manga content.

Thing is, for a movie franchise that has gone on for as long as James Bond, there are bound to be some films in the series that dponm't hold up too well against the others. Star Trek, Star Wars, Godzilla, Pirates of the Carribean, Ultraman, Jack Ryan ... they all have their good films and their bad films. Saying that they are all bad is like saying all Americans are idiots or that all British people are prudes. It's an unfair characterization.

Sam Favate kind of blasted the entire James Bond film franchise (https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/posts/4655303/). Just remember, the James Bond novels were shortened stories. It's not the fault of the writers who had to draft a story for these films that would last two hours in length.

 

[Sam Favate]

I take extreme issue with Sam Favate's comment "What "good recent Bond films?""
It sounds like he's a James Bond hater. I've actually enjoyed every James Bond movie that has been made.

Look, kid, I'm glad you've liked all the movies, really. But you have no business calling me a "hater" or questioning whether I have liked the films. I'm no troll. I've been seeing every Bond film on opening day for more than 40 years. I've spent more time and money on Bond blu-rays, DVDs, CEDs (look it up), VHS and soundtrack LPs and CDs than I could ever count. I have more books on my shelf than I will likely ever get to read again. And so on. I love the Bond series. I also don't like what has been done to it, with writers like Purvis and Wade and John Logan. The first 25 years of Bond films weren't always great, but they were more often than not. The last 30 years of Bond films haven't been great more often that not. That's my opinion as someone who's studied every film, read every book, and learned about the making of the films.

You're new here, Mark, so act with some respect toward others. So far you haven't impressed me in that regard.

 

[tempest21]

I have a lot of respect from people but your post sounds like who hate all of the James Bond films so it was a fair appraisal of the situation. I have watched a lot of movies that have been adapted from the original source material (and I'm not talking about comic book movie adaptions) and I have found that Hollywood movie studios are always taking liberties with the original source material and the movie studios are always taking liberties to amp up the drama, conflict and romance. These seem to be the same identifying characteristics present in every movie that has been adapted from a novel.

Take, for instance, the novelization of the Star Trek: TNG novel 'Way of the Warrior'. There are key scenes that were included in the novel, that were left out of the episode adaption, which would have made the episode make sense for fans who watched the episode. Even the Star Wars novel adaption for A New Hope, included key scenes that were left out of the original screenplay, that would have made a little sense. Granted, these novelizations were adapted from the original screen play but when you consider other novels like the James Bond original novels, which were mostly 150-200 page novels, and some of them shorter than that, movie studios had to expand the concept of the story to full out a two hour movie.

This ends up leaving a lot of the original source material sitting on the cutting room floor.

I know, personally, that James Cameron's movie Titanic was ridiculous. Focusing the entire plot of the movie around the romantic liason between Jack and Rose when the core of the movie should have been focused on the catastrophe of the Titanic.

But, my problem with your post was that you focused solely on criticizing the entire James Bond film franchise. If you didn't like it, then that's fine. But, I don't think anyone needs to hear how much you don't like the films and how horrible you think they are.

 

[DaveF]

I don't really want to jump in, but it feels like the conversation is near a tipping point. So, let's return to James Bond lest the thread require moderation.

Thanks.

 

[holtge]

How Daniel Craig Engineered A Smart ‘Bond 25’ Finale with Director Cary Fukunaga – IndieWire https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/d..._bar&utm_content=bottom_amp&utm_id=1202005592

Interesting read on the development and release date change of Bond 25.

 

[Osato]

How Daniel Craig Engineered A Smart ‘Bond 25’ Finale with Director Cary Fukunaga – IndieWire https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/d..._bar&utm_content=bottom_amp&utm_id=1202005592

Interesting read on the development and release date change of Bond 25.

Agreed.
I hope David Arnold returns to score the film!!! I’ve missed his soundtrack scores with 007!

 

[Sam Favate]

From the article:

Although we don’t yet know details about the script for “Bond 25,” one thing’s for certain: It’s never just about the mission. There’s always something personal at stake. But maybe this last time, Craig’s Bond won’t be burdened with emotional baggage or the need to go rogue or seek revenge.

In the best Bond films, it was not personal. Bond didn't have emotional attachments - only to his job - and didn't go rogue. All of those cliches have been used in every Bond film since Licence To Kill, which is why the first 15 Bond movies have more appeal to me than the last 9. (Incidentally, we got 15 movies in the first 25 years, and 9 in the last 30.)

From Russia With Love is my favorite Bond film. It does not need to be remade. It's one of those perfect films that should not be messed with, like Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia or Bridge on the River Kwai.

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

I think a lot of people comment on the idea that in these current spy films, be it Mission Impossible or Bond, the central character always has to "go rouge" and/or have some heavy personal baggage that intertwines with the mission. The writers seem to be doing this same thing over and over and over again and people complain about it over and over and over again.

I would compare this to the superhero films that come out these days where every plot revolves around saving the world or hilariously the entire universe. I don't want to say that the writers on all these films have run out of ideas because my bet would be they would like to write something else. I think the issue is the people paying to make these films want them to be so much like previous films that were successful that they just don't want ANY deviation.

So, i literally think there is a fear that if they don't do what they did in a previous film that there is too much risk that the new film might fail.

SPY FILM=Central Character goes rouge, has emotional baggage.

I also think there is the thing where today's audiences seem to want everything clearly explained otherwise they leave the theater saying "Well. why did he do that and why did this happen?" and so if you just write the same thing over and over and just keep remaking the same film audiences are more likely to be comfortable with it and are less likely to reject it.

Bond is basically a cold blooded assassin but if you just portray him as that these days I think there would be fear that he was...well...too cold blooded.

 

[dpippel]

From Russia With Love is my favorite Bond film. It does not need to be remade. It's one of those perfect films that should not be messed with, like Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia or Bridge on the River Kwai.

I agree, and personally I'd include Goldfinger as well.

 

[Osato]

I’d like to see a moonraker remake with Daniel.

It would be out if this world!!

 

[holtge]

I’d like to see a moonraker remake with Daniel.

It would be out if this world!!

No pun intended, of course.

 

[Tommy R]

I always felt The Living Daylights was akin to From Russia With Love to an appropriate degree without being a rip-off/remake. I hope that sort of spiritual connection is what Daniel Craig has in mind for Bond 25.

 

[BarryR]

It's "go rogue." Go "rouge" would really be quite a twist!

 

[Osato]

It's "go rogue." Go "rouge" would really be quite a twist!

A rogue way to die

 

[Osato]

Live to rogue another day

 

[tempest21]

NONONONONO!!!

Don't give us any James Bond remakes. Don't reboot the character!!! Just continue moving forward with a new actor.

All kidding aside, I was under the impression that Broccoli Productions treated the different actors for each segment of the film series as the same character through the history of the film series and that the "James Bond" name was treated more as a code-name for the character. I never really understood why they needed to reboot the franchise with Casino Royale, they could have simply just kept moving forward as they did previously.

But, just as they removed all of the "fantasy" elements out of the film (the spy gadgets and the tricked out cars), they have been slowly creeping back into the film franchise.

 

[Osato]

You only rogue thrice

 

[Tino]

I think Tom Hiddleston should be the next James Bond. After his performance in Kong: Skull Island, he's starting to grow on me as a serious actor. Hated him as Loki in the MCU movies. But, I think he would be awesome as James Bond.

Ugh. His performance in that film was terrible and the second worst I thought after Brie Larson.