Bond 23 Delayed "Indefinitely" (1 Viewer)

[WinstonCely]

I have no doubt that the franchise will continue, my grandkids will be watching new Bond movies when I'm long dead and gone. It's just that Craig is my hands down favorite Bond, and he's getting the shaft if he doesn't get to do at least one more movie. Hell, I wouldn't mind the films being delayed that much if there wasn't such a distinct possibility that Craig will not be coming back. Even those there is a contract, I'm pretty certain that there's some legalese clause or something that deals with the very nature of extended delays.

 

[Richard--W]

Daniel Craig is NOT James Bond and he will NEVER be James Bond. The character of James Bond is not present in his performances or in the films he made, except by name only. I enjoy Craig's work as an actor and as the star of action films, but it is impossible to believe for a microsecond that he is James Bond.

 

[Chuck Mayer]

He is James Bond to me.

 

[Steve Christou]

But... but... Richard, you were singing Daniel Craig's praises just a few posts up "He was born to play the action hero. The way he hurls himself into danger is like nothing I've seen." Isn't Bond the ultimate action hero?


Who would you pick to play Bond in the next reboot? Hugh Jackman? Jude Law? (gaah) James Macavoy?

 

[Mike Frezon]

Originally Posted by Steve Christou


[SIZE= 11px]I like Craig in the role. [/SIZE]

 

[Richard--W]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Christou [/quote]
Who do you think you're winking at, Christou?


The answer is, None of the above.

I have no idea who should play James Bond. I'd do a talent search in the U.K. for a twenty-something who is athletic and who has trod the boards some. But first, I would look for a way to remove Wilson and Broccoli from the creative process. Nothing will come out right while those two bozos are in charge.

 

[James 'Tiger' Lee]

I thought Casino Royale came out fine, splendid picture (I know you hate it Richard , all those bossy women lol). Quantam Of Solace was such a drop in quality, it was staggaring - and I still haven't the faintest idea what was going on in it.


I like Craig fine as a NEW James Bond, I don't see him as a continuation of the same character that Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan played and if he was supposed to be, I don't think it'd work. Maybe it's something as superflous as the hair colour, I don't really know. But as a brand new start, yes, a fine job. But I think after the formative nature of Casino Royale (which is to a certain extent Bond finding himself) I think its time for this Bond to develop that sadistic sense of humour that is my favourite aspect of the character.


And more sharks please!

 

[Richard--W]

Some people would buy the town hall from a door-to-door salesman.

 

[James 'Tiger' Lee]

Wasn't that the guy Groucho marx played in Story of Mankind?

 

[Don Solosan]

"The James Bond that we've always known from previous films, as a character, was not present in Casino Royale."


I'm still amazed that you haven't grasped that Casino was about james bond becoming James Bond. The character you've always known isn't supposed to be in Casino, except after he shoots Mr. White in the leg.

 

[Sam Favate]

Here is an article saying what we suspected, that the recent "news" that the film is "canceled" is false, and is the same as the statement a few months ago that it was suspended, pending the outcome of the MGM situation.


http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=8722&catid=107&t=mi6&s=news

 

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by Don Solosan

"The James Bond that we've always known from previous films, as a character, was not present in Casino Royale."


I'm still amazed that you haven't grasped that Casino was about james bond becoming James Bond. The character you've always known isn't supposed to be in Casino, except after he shoots Mr. White in the leg.

What rot.

I get it, it's so lame I just don't buy into it.

Exactly how does "james bond become James Bond" ? Explain it to us. By behaving like a retarded dork and being excoriated for the stupid things he does? Is this your idea of an origin story?


Eon's Casino Royale is not about a new spy being trained and tested in the intelligence service. We are shown none of that. Nor is it about a young man becoming older, wiser, and more experienced. We're not shown any of that, either. Telling that kind of story requires a different kind of exposition. Ian Fleming planted a lot of detail in the books about Bond's origins and background that could have served as an origin story (with plenty of action) with a few minor adjustments for modern times. The son of a Scot military man and a Swiss mother raised in England, educated at Eaton, became a Naval commander before being recruited into the intelligence service. A couple of writers, notably Frank Pearson, wove all the references into a kind of fictional biography that also put some of the Casino Royale material through its paces. But the film makers ignored, discarded, or reversed that material. This Casino Royale is about a stupid dork being potty-trained to look before he leaps. M. teaches him how to be a better man and a kinder, gentler spy by excoriating him for doing dumb, insensitive things. He learns by being yelled at. James Bond is dumbed down, stupified, stripped of intelligence, dignity and morality. There is no character development nor character arc here. If you don't know deconstruction when you see it, you have a lot to learn. In a way, the film is really a comedy, with Judi Dench doing a Mommie Dearest impression while Daniel Craig makes a face like Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine.

 

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by Sam Favate


Here is an article saying what we suspected, that the recent "news" that the film is "canceled" is false, and is the same as the statement a few months ago that it was suspended, pending the outcome of the MGM situation.


http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=8722&catid=107&t=mi6&s=news

Below-the-line personal on Bond 23 recently told the Daily Mirror that Bond 23 "got canned."


It's only a matter of time before the film Eon developed is activated again. When the problem with MGM is sorted out, Eon will start up with the same script, Mendes, and I'm sure Daniel Craig, right were they left off.

 

[Mike Frezon]

[SIZE= 16px]WARNING ISSUED TO Richard-W and James 'Tiger' Lee to leave the name-calling and personal business off the boards. [/SIZE]


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[Richard--W]

What kind of accent should James Bond have? Roger Moore comments on Received Pronunciation: Why I'm Gunning For People Who Don't Talk Proper by Roger Moore http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1292030/ROGER-MOORE-Why-Im-gunning-people-dont-talk-proper.html

Can you imagine James Bond speaking cockney? ‘Oi, Miss Moneypenny! Get off the Dog and Bone [phone] and gi ’us a Heavenly Bliss [kiss].’ Or how about him ordering a Martini — shaken, not stirred — in Brummie or Scouse. It just wouldn’t be 007. Commander Bond has to speak the Queen’s English — and how I wish more of us would. I have always spoken that way. But if I were a young actor trying to find work today, the way I talk would be a handicap.

Personally I can't recognize all the different kinds of British accents he refers to. It may be inferred, from the opening paragraphs, that Roger Moore doesn't think Daniel Craig is right for Bond, either.

 

[Don Solosan]

"Eon's Casino Royale is not about a new spy being trained and tested in the intelligence service. We are shown none of that."


Nope, got it wrong again. It's about a new spy making the emotional adjustments to become suitable in his new job. That's what the whole movie is about. And since it's an origin story, we have to see him change from one thing into another. Is he a dork? Yes. You don't like that decision, fine. But he's not a dork at the end, and apparently from what you said about Quantum, you appreciated his further growth in that movie.

The problem, it seems to me, is that you can't see the movie for what it is, because you're focusing on what it isn't.

 

[Edwin-S]

Originally Posted by Richard--W
Personally I can't recognize all the different kinds of British accents he refers to. It may be inferred, from the opening paragraphs, that Roger Moore doesn't think Daniel Craig is right for Bond, either.

I don't believe he is inferring that at all. He uses James Bond as an example of how odd it would be if Bond spoke a regional dialect because that is the character that he (Moore) is most equated with by the public. He never mentions Craig and, beyond the use of the character to illustrate a point, he never mentions Bond again. The rest of the article is about the proper use of language in facilitating clear communication and how a belief in proper language use is often equated with snobbery, even though the two mindsets differ in many ways.

 

[IanD]

Aside from writing for a really despicable newspaper, is Moore forgetting (perhaps not) that Connery spoke with a Scottish accent, and Lazenby with an Australian accent?

 

[WinstonCely]

...how a belief in proper language use is often equated with snobbery...

That is so true and unfortunate that that situation exists.

 

[IanD]

It used to be the other way around. Back in the 60s, a cockney regular on Doctor Who was forced to start speaking the Queen's English (or BBC English) part way through the shooting of her second story. In Hong Kong, the predominate Cantonese dialect was snubbed out of cinema in the late 60s in favour of the more "proper" Mandairn dialect.


So like most things, when it bites back, it bites back.


That article has some points but I do feel sad that Moore is writing for that particular newspaper - its a repellant paper hiding under a nice title font. But I don't think HE has an issue with Craig, just the editor if anyone.


Of course, if you're having to rely on the Daily Mail to push your agenda...