Blu-ray information on audio formats, hard coating, and release date

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  1. Richard Paul

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    Sony Corportaion of America's Mike Fidler, Senior Vice President of the Blu-ray Disc Group Division, has said in a interview with Widescreen Review that Dolby Digital will most likely be a requirement for pre-recorded Blu-ray. He said that DTS and other audio formats would be optional.

    Mike Fidler also said that future Blu-ray players would use bare discs and that a hard coating will be implemented on future Blu-ray discs. Hard coating is quite simply a much harder kind of plastic than that currently used on CD's and DVD's. He also said that the Blu-ray recorders and discs in Japan came out before hard coating was implemented. So for better or worse it sounds as though all future Blu-ray products will be made for bare discs with a hard coating.

    As for Blu-rays timeline Mike Fidler said that the specifications for BD-ROM (pre-recorded Blu-ray Disc) along with BD-R (write once Blu-ray Disc) will be completed by the end of the year. He also said that it would take 18 to 24 months of development time after the finished specification for shipping products to be released. Sony is expecting the first pre-recorded Blu-ray players to be released in the U.S. market by late 2005.
     
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    Well, George said he wanted to release it on HD-DVD [​IMG]
     
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    Late 2005.

    Isn't that also the time when the Sony Playstation 3 is rumoured to be released?

    I wonder if the playstation 3 will be bluray prerecorded compatible? I think this is all part of Sony's plan to take over the 'living room' technology.
     
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    Richard:

    Has anybody confirmed that the first generation Blu-Ray players will also be able to play legacy DVD discs?

    I know that I won't be the "first person on the block" to purchase one of these if I can't play my current DVD collection (Unless, of course, that's the only way to get the Original Star Wars Trilogy!)
     
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    Mike Fidler said it won't be a requirement of the pre-recorded Blu-ray format. He also mentioned that the DVD format doesn't require CD playback and look how many DVD players play CD's. The decision to add DVD playback to Blu-ray players will be up to the individual manufacturer along with the ability to playback DVD+R/W and DVD-R/W.

    Another thing Mike Fidler said that was interesting is when asked about component video output on pre-recorded Blu-ray his answer was less than sure. He basically said that though the consumers would want it that the Blu-ray Founders also understand the concerns of studios.

    Alistair, I think the addition of pre-recorded Blu-ray playback on the PS3 would be a selling point. The problem is that it may not be a big enough selling point to justify the additional cost.
     
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    Joseph: That's not entirely true. If they market Blu-Ray like they did DVHS, as a expensive high-end HD solution, then it won't have much of an impact. But if they market as a low-cost "successor" to DVD, there will be plenty of people that will bite the bullet, I think. Particularly if launch or near-launch titles are good films in terms of content as well as presentation, like the new HD transfer of Lawrence of Arabia RAH just finished (whereas DVHS was almost entirely Hollywood blockbusters with no substance, or IMO crap). I'm firmly against HDCP and all that it stands for, but the average HT enthusiast is pretty much beholden to the studios, and HDCP is what they want.

    Now, on the other hand, HDCP is already under attack, both politically and physically (as in being hacked). It's quite possible that they'll go another digital route (Firewire), or give us VGA out. And what about BD-ROM/R drives in PCs? Nothing they can really do there.
     
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    Good. I've been arguing that the manufacturers should be doing something to make discs less vulnerable to scratches, and that hiding the disc inside a caddy is not a solution but rather a crutch that works only until the Unskilled Package Stompers manages to destroy the caddy and its shards scratch the disc it was intended to protect.
     
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    Copyright protection is the problem with component via RCAx3. DVI or Firewire are the connections that are being most considered.
     
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    Joseph, I could see Blu-ray players having component video outputs but they would most likely have their resolutions downconverted to 480p.

    Jesse, Blu-ray will not output pre-recorded video over Firewire since if someone crack's the DTCP encryption on it they could record the digital video in it's compressed form. Even when HDCP is broken one would still be left with a uncompressed video stream. As for PC's with Blu-ray drives I have no idea what they may do.

    Jonathan, there are different resolutions for HDTV but they are all under the ATSC standard. In other words there are no competing standards for HDTV since all ATSC tuners have to decode all 18 ATSC formats. To know more about ATSC and the 18 different formats go to their website here. Though most people know of 720p and 1080i the ATSC standard also has 1080p at 24 and 30 fps. I believe that the Blu-ray Founders (BDF) will most likely adopt all 18 formats into the pre-recorded Blu-ray format.

    The reason that Hollywood doesn't want to use component video is that Macrovision works at 480i and 480p but there is no version of it for 720p or 1080i. This was to say the least a horrible oversight that the studio's brought upon themselves by ignoring the development of HDTV until they saw that it would be successful. Now they are trying to replace component video with DVI-HDCP when they could have created a more secure component video connection 6 years ago.
     
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    If vendors listen to Hollywood demands to leave out or degrade component video output, BluRay vendors will take a DIVX-like bath.

    DVD buyers didn't go for the "tough luck to early buyers" pitch, and they had only spent a few hundred bucks each. A HDTV-ready set can cost thousands. Think those buyers will be any more eager to drink the Kool-Aid?
     
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    My feelings exactly. I own nearly 200 DVDs (admittedly a small list by HTF standards) and not one of them is a bootleg copy. I believe in paying for what I get; conversely, I also believe in getting what I pay for. Case in point: I paid good money for a Toshiba HDTV-ready widescreen TV two years ago. Why should I be denied the right to potentially see high definition images from ANY source (satellite, HD-DVD, pay-per-view) simply because the movie studios have irrational fears?

    I realize that I may be oversimplifying the argument, but this particular issue really strikes a nerve with me.
     
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    Aren't component outputs analog (very good analog, but analog nonetheless)? I thought the big piracy concerns were regarding the ability to make perfect digital copies. Do DVHS machines allow recording from the component inputs?

    I have a 2-year old Pioneer Elite that I do not plan on replacing soon. It has component inputs and an RGB one, but no DVI or Firewire. I think there's a large percentage of "early adopter" types who would be the most likely early targets for Blu-Ray that will not support any format without component outputs.
     
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