Okay, so far I have gathered: All MUSE players get about the same performance, except the HLD-X0 which is simply the best LDP ever built. TOP GUN looks very bad, DANCES WITH WOLVES [the only one apparently without those stupid letterbox bars on the cover] very good. Brian thinks A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT looks very good, Rachael thinks it looks very bad in dark scenes. Everyone agrees BUGSY has zero picture quality, worse than NTSC. On all players but the X0, film material has a tendency to exhibit a greenish tinge. HDVS discs are chiefly scenery material, intended for broadcst use. Fish discs are just that, a screwy virtual-aquarium deal; I asked Santini [bought a very late Japanese boxset from him, and figured I was entitled to a little extra info for the price] and he sent me a picture. So: Do wideband HDVS discs provide sound? Does their programme material duplicate largely what is on MUSE? EDIT: As near as I can make out, these are TCI format, with 20 MHz for Y and 7 [or 5.5] MHz for chroma, with Pr and Pb on a line-alternate basis, and PCM audio baseband-multiplexed into the vertical blanking interval. I really do not think, however, that they are of the type described in the HiVision book using 2 parallel tracks simultaneously like a UniHi VCR. Probably they just use a red laser and a very high rotational speed to obtain sufficient bandwidth, about 3 or 4 times that of even MUSE LD. Do Fish Discs provide sound? The blanket category "scenery disc" is very broad and I don't know what all is in it. The only LD of this type I have [my collection is almost exclusively animation, preponderately Japanese] is a 1986 demo for Digital Sound. Some of the scenes have young female models in them, there is a clip from a parade, some stunning pictures of food, &c. I guess some discs have just pictures of specific places, reports suggest there is at least one with nude female models posing in front of tourist attraction type sights. Just saying "scenery disc" tells me little about what's on it. These kinds of questions are directed to anybody who is willing to answer them. I undestand your reasons for losing interest, Brian. I'm just suggesting that now, as the Forum members take a "first look" at Blu-Ray, is a time to take a "last look" at MUSE. By the way, the Search function here only pulls up your posts back to 2001, and AVS similar, so this may be part of the reason I'm annoying you.