Better Call Saul - Season 5 (AMC) (1 Viewer)

[Hollywoodaholic]

Defying expectations. Are we really buying that metamorphosis of Kim? It was pretty quick over the past few episodes. And I thought we'd have a little tag of Gene, since we got a tease in the season opener. And where again does Lalo figure in BB? While it was fun to see him evade assassination, I was kind of hoping Nacho was waiting for him outside the grounds. Okay, defying MY expectations.

 

[joshEH]

 

[Tommy R]

This was definitely the best season of BCS yet. The final season is going to be earth shattering. Not to mention where they’re going with the Gene stuff. My theory now that 13 episodes are confirmed, is that it’ll be a 10-episode BCS season with three B&W episodes with Gene.

 

[Sam Posten]

It's ridiculous that two names that they made up as a joke for the goofy lawyer to say are now full formed characters in another series.

I think I’m confusing him with the character he played on Weeds!

 

[Hollywoodaholic]

I guess I wrongly assumed this would be the last season before the events of BB. It was a great season with some terrific suspense sequences that matched the mother ship, but I still feel like the decision to make Kim... break bad, was decided somewhere along the way and not pre-conceived in the master plan from the beginning. It just feels too abrupt.

I realize they had set up her intrigue with Jimmy's little scams, but she was always a compassionate crusader, not just focused on pro bono work but going the extra two miles for homeowner Barry Corbin (forgot characters name). That just doesn't jive with the genesis of the world class scammer or saboteur she now aspires to be. It's a cool idea to make Jimmy drop HER, because she wants to go too far, but I just don't feel like it was a believable or justifiable turn.

Here's co-creator Peter Gould on the finale and some other thoughts:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...inale-explained-peter-gould-interview-1291031

 

[TravisR]

I guess I wrongly assumed this would be the last season before the events of BB. It was a great season with some terrific suspense sequences that matched the mother ship, but I still feel like the decision to make Kim... break bad, was decided somewhere along the way and not pre-conceived in the master plan from the beginning.

There is no master plan for this show or Breaking Bad. They were crazy enough to have Walt with the machine gun at the beginning of S5 with no idea of how or where that would pay off.

 

[Tommy R]

I can kind of see Kim’s reasonings gelling with her crusading for the unfortunate, as she seems to see Howard as deserving of whatever her wrath decides to give him.

 

[Ronald Epstein]

I may have asked this earlier and not sure if there was a response...

Why did Kim leave her law firm? I know what reason she gave Jimmy, but I can't fathom anyone giving up that kind of success you strive your entire life to do the kind of work she is doing now.

Really great ending to the Season. Sadly, we won't see this show return for almost two years at this point.

 

[Walter Kittel]

Great season finale.

Kim has displayed bad tendencies before; particularly during the cons she pulled with Jimmy. So I don't think her turn is all that dramatic. Sandpiper is kind of an 'ends justify the means' sort of thing - the old folks get some $ while they can still enjoy it and Kim gets to serve the greater good with her pro-bono practice. It's just a career setback for one lawyer.

Man, Lalo looks pissed. I'm not convinced that he will come after Saul first, seems like Nacho and Gustavo would be of immediate concern to Lalo. We'll see, but it will be a long time before the series returns. (Just another reason to survive COVID-19; to able to see how this all wraps up. )

To Ron's question - as I recall Rich delegated some of Kim's tasks to other individuals in the firm and this didn't set very well with Kim. I don't think there was ever very good chemistry between Kim and RIch; so it was probably a lot of little things vs. one big thing.

- Walter.

 

[Ronald Epstein]

Great season finale.

Kim has displayed bad tendencies before; particularly during the cons she pulled with Jimmy. So I don't think her turn is all that dramatic. Sandpiper is kind of an 'ends justify the means' sort of thing - the old folks get some $ while they can still enjoy it and Kim gets to serve the greater good with her pro-bono practice. It's just a career setback for one lawyer.

Man, Lalo looks pissed. I'm not convinced that he will come after Saul first, seems like Nacho and Gustavo would be of immediate concern to Lalo. We'll see, but it will be a long time before the series returns. (Just another reason to survive COVID-19; to able to see how this all wraps up. )

To Ron's question - as I recall Rich delegated some of Kim's tasks to other individuals in the firm and this didn't set very well with Kim. I don't think there was ever very good chemistry between Kim and RIch; so it was probably a lot of little things vs. one big thing.

- Walter.

Thanks, Walter!

 

[ScottH]

Yeah, I think it was pretty obvious Lalo knew right away Nacho double crossed him. He has every reason to be suspicious of Saul, but not sure why he would think he had anything to do with the hit (other than maybe knowing something).

Put me in the camp that didn't buy the Kim transition this season either. I feel like the writers are running out of story lines that involve Kim and Jimmy so they're reaching. Not interested in a going scorched earth on Howard story line in the final season.

That said, I really did enjoy the season. Might have been the best one.

What's the over/under on the final season? I'm thinking Fall 2021.

 

[Sam Posten]

I'm not so sure Lalo immediately suspects Nacho, tho Nacho being gone is an obvious clue. The -OTHER- guy they keep showboating the boss over might be a candidate too.

 

[John Lee_275604]

Why did Kim leave her law firm? I know what reason she gave Jimmy, but I can't fathom anyone giving up that kind of success you strive your entire life to do the kind of work she is doing now.

Striving all your life to be a successful attorney doesn't automatically equate to striving all your life to be a contract, property, and acquisition attorney for a corporate client [NTTAWWT].

To put it in HTF terms, striving all your life to be a valued entertainer doesn't automatically equate to striving all your life to be the neighbor/best friend on a TGIF sitcom. Sure, you might be making a lot of money to walk in a stage door and spout a catchphrase, but it's a personal calculus whether that is a fulfilment of your life's striving.

 

[Ronald Epstein]

Striving all your life to be a successful attorney doesn't automatically equate to striving all your life to be a contract, property, and acquisition attorney for a corporate client [NTTAWWT].

To put it in HTF terms, striving all your life to be a valued entertainer doesn't automatically equate to striving all your life to be the neighbor/best friend on a TGIF sitcom. Sure, you might be making a lot of money to walk in a stage door and spout a catchphrase, but it's a personal calculus whether that is a fulfilment of your life's striving.

John, that's a very interesting take. Makes sense. Thank you.

 

[ScottH]

I'm not so sure Lalo immediately suspects Nacho, tho Nacho being gone is an obvious clue.

Nacho being gone, Nacho being up at 3am, Nacho acting all nervous, Nacho taking a long time to get the drinks, Nacho not reacting to the fire in the kitchen at all... I'm actually surprised Lalo didn't catch on sooner.

 

[Hollywoodaholic]

Gould says the decision to have Kim not only embrace sin, but also rationalize her actions in a manner echoing Walter White, occurred to the writers very late in the season.​

Our instincts were right: the Kim U-Turn was kind of a late improv when writing the season, and not organically evolved from the beginning.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-...ul-season-5-finale-creators-interview-984340/

 

[Walter Kittel]

I'm not so sure Lalo immediately suspects Nacho, tho Nacho being gone is an obvious clue. The -OTHER- guy they keep showboating the boss over might be a candidate too.

In addition to Scott's post, I would add...

There was a shot of Lalo taking a real hard look at the table and the drinks during the mayhem. So yeah, I'd say that Nacho is on Lalo's naughty list.

- Walter.

 

[Sam Posten]

You guys know the other boss I'm talking about, the guy always poolside when Lalo gets there to the big boss? Sorry I can't remember names.

 

[John Lee_275604]

You guys know the other boss I'm talking about, the guy always poolside when Lalo gets there to the big boss? Sorry I can't remember names.

I believe you are referring to Juan Bolsa, and I'm having trouble figuring how Lalo makes an assessment that Bolsa is the perp without homing in on Nacho as well.

 

[TravisR]

You guys know the other boss I'm talking about, the guy always poolside when Lalo gets there to the big boss? Sorry I can't remember names.

Don Bolsa (he and a pre-stroke Hector were very high level cartel members)

Don Eladio (the boss)